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Title: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 03, 2012, 01:22:19 AM
So the confluence of rumors, plus the Halo Bulletin being postponed (http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/post/2012/04/02/This-Weeks-Bulletin-3512.aspx), strongly suggest April 5 will be some info-dropping. Doesn't sound like it's going to be a huge amount, but more on the single-player seems warranted by now...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 03, 2012, 09:27:47 AM
Place your bets!

Master Chief will be fighting....

Foreunners 3/12
Elites 1/30
Grunts 2/10
Flood 1/23
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 03, 2012, 09:35:45 AM
Place your bets!

Master Chief will be fighting....

Foreunners 3/12
Elites 1/30
Grunts 2/10
Flood 1/23


What about all of the above? I'm excited now!
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 03, 2012, 08:08:37 PM
Place your bets!

Master Chief will be fighting....

Foreunners 3/12
Elites 1/30
Grunts 2/10
Flood 1/23

NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS!!!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Star Wars! Yes!

Im gonna go with all of the above races,  + insurrectionists (i hope!)
   Also, the real question is, who will he be fighting with? Who are gonna make yellow dots?
   My guess = elites + humans, and at least one surviving forerunner. Also probably a smattering of other former covenent races on select levels also.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 03, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
Place your bets!

Master Chief will be fighting....

Foreunners 3/12
Elites 1/30
Grunts 2/10
Flood 1/23

NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS!!!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Star Wars! Yes!

Im gonna go with all of the above races,  + insurrectionists (i hope!)
   Also, the real question is, who will he be fighting with? Who are gonna make yellow dots?
   My guess = elites + humans, and at least one surviving forerunner. Also probably a smattering of other former covenent races on select levels also.

The yellow dots appear to be green now, actually.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 03, 2012, 09:08:54 PM
Im gonna go with all of the above races,  + insurrectionists (i hope!)
   Also, the real question is, who will he be fighting with? Who are gonna make yellow dots?
   My guess = elites + humans, and at least one surviving forerunner. Also probably a smattering of other former covenent races on select levels also.

The yellow dots appear to be green now, actually.

*Rage quits*
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 03, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
At least that's how it was in the pre-Alpha they were showing. Hopefully the beta has led to a lot of cosmetic improvements *hopes for less ugly Spartan-IV helmets*
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 03, 2012, 09:49:53 PM
At least that's how it was in the pre-Alpha they were showing. Hopefully the beta has led to a lot of cosmetic improvements *hopes for less ugly Spartan-IV helmets*
You no like the mark VII helmets? What? I loved em!
    Why didnt you like them?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 03, 2012, 09:58:58 PM
They remind me of Dead Space.

Which I do like.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 03, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
Eh, they feel more like a Gundam/mecha look than a Spartan helmet.

Aesthetics aside, it bothers me because I'd imagine a Spartan IV would look a lot different--which is to say a lot more similar. If they are presumably cheaper, less-super soldiers--like the Spartan-IIIs, although designed as a long-term asset instead of use-and-loss suicide squads--you'd think they'd look something like them--a cross between SPI and MJOLNIR armor, for instance. Reach suggests that there were tons of private companies making at least demo tech for MJOLNIR--so why does the next-gen, produced months after the last revision*, look so radically different?

I would have preferred something that at least showed some prior design influence--whether it was more boxy like the MkV, to suggest how its not as expensive, or had a helmet like an ODST/Operator helm we've seen previously, to suggest it's an upgrade of designed components, etc. It seems at this juncture like a missed opportunity.

*Presuming this is the same armor as discussed in Glasslands, and not another revision, which I accept is possible.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 03, 2012, 11:00:59 PM
They remind me of Dead Space.

Which I do like.
Agreed.


As for Dave;

   You have to remember that the Mark VII's are operating on a way different technology than all previous mjolnir armors. Honestly, i think they would have been given a completely new name, since they have very little in common with their predecesors.
    Except by naming them "MJOLNIR mark VII armor" and its bearers the "Spartan 4's" allows them to piggieback on the enormous successess of the last itterations of the spartan and mjolnir programs. thus, people will be less inclined to challenge or question the wisdom of giving the fact that they are just giving an already battle scarred soldier a super suit and some rambo drugs...

    Also, if cheif's new armor is basically "MJOLNIR mark VI 2.0" (ie: still mark VI, but with the current upgrades and redesigns -- that being, in my humble opinion, the most probable explaination of his armor) than you can definately see the design shifts from mark VI.1 to mark VI.2, and then you can probably see the design shifts from mark VI.2 to mark VII
   
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 04, 2012, 02:53:33 PM
Eh, they feel more like a Gundam/mecha look than a Spartan helmet.

I fully support more Gundam in my Halo.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 04, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
Eh, quality of Gundam aside I don't think it's the right mindset to take--the people under the armor are important, not the honkin' mechs they're controlling. :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 04, 2012, 11:51:11 PM
Eh, quality of Gundam aside I don't think it's the right mindset to take--the people under the armor are important, not the honkin' mechs they're controlling. :)

Also, mjolnir has never been a 'mech'... Or a seperate object from the person
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 05, 2012, 04:47:40 PM
(http://thegallery.forwarduntodawn.com/var/resizes/Halo-4/Promotional/31vuj.jpg?m=1333642242)
(http://thegallery.forwarduntodawn.com/var/resizes/Halo-4/Promotional/Halo4_hub.jpg?m=1333642227)
(http://thegallery.forwarduntodawn.com/var/resizes/Halo-4/Promotional/Halo4_610_ad.jpg?m=1333642222)

No info yet. But GI has launched a hub and the upcoming issue will have details.

Quote
This 14-page cover story is stuffed full of details on the new game, including information on where the story is going, hands-on impressions of multiplayer, and intel on the surprising new approach governing every aspect of Halo's multiplayer experience.

343 Industries also shared a wealth of in-game screenshots and concept art revealing new locations within the Halo universe.

Hub link (http://www.gameinformer.com/p/halo4.aspx)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 05, 2012, 06:08:46 PM
Sweet. Should have my copy within a few days. Definitely looking forward to this. GameInformer has been kind of meh to me for the last couple of months.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 05, 2012, 07:21:25 PM
That screenshot on the bottom...is there a marine on that turret?   SO. EXCITED.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 05, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
Dang it, i dont get game informer! Dang it! When do they ship? Like if i knew somebody who gets it, wheb would they get it?

On the other hand... Im concerned at how different cortana looks... Like... Are we even sure that the same actor is coming back for her voice yet?

Also... With the other concept art piece you put up in the gallery... Which i cant for the life of me, link to, or copy paste on my ipad.
     Did anyone else think "Cryptum" When they saw it?... Cause i feel like that is exctly what it looks like...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 05, 2012, 09:22:45 PM
I don't think Jen Taylor is confirmed, but considering she was at HaloFest, et al, I highly doubt 343i would grab another actress unless Taylor was unavailable for some reason and/or asked for a mountain of cash with some laser-wielding sharks to boot.

There *has* been a lot of speculation that they have an actress they're using for Cortana (at least in likeness and acting, I guess.) http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1120285

That claim seems to have been bolstered by the "face-scrunching" sequence of the Halo 4 first look trailer, as the woman they are animating looks a lot like the would-be Cortana: http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1130075

I wouldn't use the GI cover image as a real good indicator of what she'll look like. That said, I really wish they'd get back to the Halo 2 look, with the asymmetrical cut to her hair and the less, er, "pronounced" proportions. Keep her blue if you want.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 05, 2012, 09:32:06 PM
Halo 3 is the perfect look. Don't ever change it. IMO
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 05, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Halo 3 is the perfect look. Don't ever change it. IMO
Agreed
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 06, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Too late!  ;)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 07, 2012, 12:07:45 PM
I'll just leave this here...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 12:09:54 PM
Don't post links to crappy youtube videos making money on the scans/leaks. =P
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 07, 2012, 12:33:18 PM
Well, not sure about the visual design of the Covenant (what happened to the Grunts?) but at least single-player doesn't seem off-the -wall.

Multiplayer, on the other hand. :(
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 01:15:56 PM
Halo 4 is set in 2557 - four years, seven months and ten days since the FUD was split into two and the finale of the events of Halo 3.

True native 720p with FXAA

Chief, Cortana and other characters animated with the assistance of motion capture.

Cortana impending rampancy will be a critical theme as will be exploring Master Chief as a person.

Cortana has chosen a new visual identity whilst the Chief has been sleeping.

The Covenant - at least Elites and Grunts return.

The Dawn eventually crashe land on Requiem,a planet enclosed in a massive Dyson Shell.

A new faction from Reqium is introduced. Like the Covenant they will have unique and different enemy types, weapons and equipment. "If anything, they're kind of elevated in terms of their intelligence and complexity relative to the Covenant."

Huge, alive environments - a piece of concept art depicts a floating air squid in a jungle setting.

The skybox is filled with massive pillars reaching down from above and the surrounding view is painted by the inside of the Dyson Shell.

Game is split between Campaign and Infinity - the new term of the entire multiplayer experience seperate from the Camapign.

Multiplier directly and in-directly ties into the Campaign.

Multiplaier features Spartan IV's - adult volenteers taken from the the best of special ops soliders, equippe with a new version of the Mjolnir armour (lightweight variation) and deployed onboard the UNSC Infinity.

The UNSC Infinity is the largest ship the UNSC has ever created. Over three kilmetres long, it was designed with cutting edge technology and features some additional technological enhancements provided by the study of Forerunner technology - including faster and more accurate slipspace travel.

The UNSC is deployed on a top scret mission into deep space but will cross paths with the Master Chief during the campaign.

The Spartan IV's onboard train in the Infinity's "combat deck" (think holodeck or Danger room). The deck and simulate any known environment and plays host the the multiplayer games players are familar with.

The Multiplayer Investment system is based upon ranks and as your progress through the ranks you unlock more abilities and options to purchase so that players can customise their Loadouts.

The multiplayer currency is known as Spartan Points and they are awarded at the conclusion of a multiplayer game (unknown if they are also rewarded in game like Reach's Credits). Players can swap between various custom Loadouts during a game.

Firefight is absent and it is stated that there are no plans for it to return.

New Co-Op mode called Spartan Ops for up to four players in online Campaign-esque missions.

Spartan OPs introduces new movies sequences and missions on a weekly basis which tells the story of the UNSC Infinity's mission and battles the new Spartan IV's face.

Spartan Op missions are objective based and feature new content, events and locations each week. Spartan Ops missions also reward Spartan Points and feature selectable difficulty levels like Campaign.

Spartan Ops missions are not DLC, they are included in the overall Halo 4 package but it is unclear if the content is available on the disc or must be downloaded seperately.

Loadouts are composed of a primary and secondary weapon, a grenade type, armour ability and modifications. It is unclear how the modification system works or what things it modifies or how.

Weapons in the overal  sandbox include Assault Rifle, Battle Rifle, DMR, Assault Carbine, Covenant Carbine, Shotgun, Rocket Launcher, Sniper Rifle, Magnum and Plasma Pistol. There are numerous unrevealed, new weapon.

Returning Armour Abilities include Hologram, Jet-Pack and Camo. A new ability to see through walls was shown and Sprint is now a baseline ability all players will have access to at all times.

FFA Variant, Regicide. Lead slayer is "King" - each of the King;s kills raises his "bounty". The bounty is claimed by whomever kills the King.

In Team Slayer (not confirmed for other gametypes), players can respawn instantly after death if they choose. Additionally, power weapons are introduced into a game on a random timer and appear at random drop points on the map.

Medals are turning including new medals for "revenge kills" and for causing a distraction.

Players have the possability of joining games in progress in matchmaking.

:Opening Mission:

"Wake up, Chief. I need you."

Cortana wakes up the Chief to deal with an intruder alarm.

"Why did you wake me?"
"Hang on."

"Bringing your system online now. I rewrote your suit's firmware while you were out."

New HUD, features subtle paralla movement during athetic actions and additional visual cues indicating that you are actually wearing a helmet.

"Hmph. You've been busy."
"Seems like old times."
"Ready to get back to work?"
"I thought you'd never ask.""

The Chief plug's Cortana data chip into the back of helmet and the level begins.

"We've got intruder alerts lighting up on multiple decks. Our best bet is to figure out who is boarding us is the observation deck. Four floors up."

They approach an elevator shaft with the doors closed.

"Those doors looked sealed tight."
"Not a problem."

Chief opens the doors (might be the exact sequence in the previous BTS) and gets sucked into the shaft.

After climbing up the shaft via ladder, a Elite pops out and charges the Chief. The Chief grabs the Elite by the arm, narrowly misses a squid bite and throws the Elite down the shaft behind him.

"I thought we had a ttruce with the Covenant."
"You're welcome to take it up with them."

They head to the observation deck amidst a traditional Halo encounter with Grunts backed up by Elites.

After the encounter, Cortana tells the Chief to open the deck's blast shield.

"The good news is that Covenant aren't outfitted like standard military. It's possible we just came across a rogue salvage ship."

After removing the blast shield, they get a look out of the bay viewports. A ton of Covenant ships is visible.

"Ore we might have stumbled into a whole Covenant fleet."

Landing craft (or boarding ships?) flank the ship and smash through hull.

"We need to get off this ship."
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 07, 2012, 02:09:34 PM
Not saying I don't trust you slightly, but is this all from the magazine? I mean, if your going to tell us not to post links to videos about links that have sources, it would be nice to know where your info is coming from :p

Multiplaier features Spartan IV's - adult volenteers taken from the the best of special ops soliders, equippe with a new version of the Mjolnir armour (lightweight variation) and deployed onboard the UNSC Infinity.

So, I would assume this means most, if not all, of these "best of special ops soldiers" are coming from the ODST's, so does this mean there is even a need for them anymore? Will they even be in H4? I hope they aren't gone, I always loved their armor and the drop pods, but if they are gone, I hope that the ODST armor permutations are available for Spartan customization and that the drop pods will still be used in game some how.

A new faction from Reqium is introduced. Like the Covenant they will have unique and different enemy types, weapons and equipment. "If anything, they're kind of elevated in terms of their intelligence and complexity relative to the Covenant."

Ok, so many questions about this, which I'm sure you conveniently don't have the answers to. I suppose this is not the ancient evil, just a new enemy? or maybe it is? Have they lived inside this shield world since the Halo activation? Are any of there kind living outside of the Shield world? Do they view the covenant and or humanity as an ally or a threat?

Firefight is absent and it is stated that there are no plans for it to return.

Spartan OPs introduces new movies sequences and missions on a weekly basis which tells the story of the UNSC Infinity's mission and battles the new Spartan IV's face.

Spartan Op missions are objective based and feature new content, events and locations each week. Spartan Ops missions also reward Spartan Points and feature selectable difficulty levels like Campaign.

Spartan Ops missions are not DLC, they are included in the overall Halo 4 package but it is unclear if the content is available on the disc or must be downloaded seperately.

First of all, no Firefight? LAME! Not even a crappy run down version of it? The multiplayer better blow my mind then. This is my first pet peeve of Halo 4, and I was hoping I wouldn't have any :(

Also, does this not scream CoD? I wasn't sure if it was posted here or not but I heard that players will be able to join in progress games in H4, which was always something that separated CoD from Halo, not to say that it is not welcome. But by introducing Specs Ops missions and removing Firefight, it seems like they are just trying to include things that make other games popular instead of holding true to what Halo is or has become....
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 02:33:22 PM
Not saying I don't trust you slightly, but is this all from the magazine? I mean, if your going to tell us not to post links to videos about links that have sources, it would be nice to know where your info is coming from :p

From the pages of the magazine, fully scanned, via my eyeballs, into my grey matter, then back out of my grey matter, via hands, a keyboard and the computer.  =)

The scans are out there if you want to verify it for yourself (check Google or Reddit), or even buy the magazine - subscribers should be getting their copies now and hitting newsstands shortly.

There will be a new Sparkcast shortly expanding on the details.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 07, 2012, 05:04:09 PM
From the pages of the magazine, fully scanned, via my eyeballs, into my grey matter, then back out of my grey matter, via hands, a keyboard and the computer.  =)

Damn Grey Matter :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 07, 2012, 06:49:21 PM
I dont know if you caught this, but it seems like they also have moddable weapons in the mix. On the second to last page, the guy is using a rifle that looks like the BR, but has a completely different styled scope


Also, Perks sound EXACTLY like CoD. So im worried.

I like the Spec Ops mission thing too.... Cause like, Ive always felt jipped that Halo never has story based DLC... Which is the impression im getting from these spec ops buisness
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 07, 2012, 06:53:20 PM
Sounds awesome... except for the lack of firefight. Oh well, I'll have ODST and Reach for that still. Maybe Spartan Ops will be a suitable replacement.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
I dont know if you caught this, but it seems like they also have moddable weapons in the mix. On the second to last page, the guy is using a rifle that looks like the BR, but has a completely different styled scope


Also, Perks sound EXACTLY like CoD. So im worried.

I like the Spec Ops mission thing too.... Cause like, Ive always felt jipped that Halo never has story based DLC... Which is the impression im getting from these spec ops buisness

There are no weapons mods. That's the new look DMR or Assault Carbine.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 07, 2012, 07:01:42 PM
Ok, i got yah. Also, jackals are in one of the pictures, so they are there too.

Also, what the heck? Assault combine? Why? We have tooooooo  maaaaannnny rifles in this game already

Also, there is more than just one new weapon. The new race has an entire sandbox apparently
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 07, 2012, 07:24:15 PM
Damn it Dani... now I'm even getting spoilers for my magazines. :P I'm avoiding this just because I want there to still be a point in reading it.

I'm going downstairs to check if it's arrived right now.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 07:29:25 PM
I can't help it.  8)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 07, 2012, 07:40:19 PM
Eh, magazine's not here. Now it's the fault of delivery. I'm reading your post.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 07, 2012, 07:56:26 PM
Spartan Ops gets me very excited. Usually I don't like games forcing me to come back to play them on their time or I miss story. But for Halo, an exception can be made. This time around, it'll be nice to have a better reason to play Halo consistently. And that's that if I don't, I'll miss cool story stuff.

I know it's a cheap marketing ploy and all... but... well yeah, it works.

Bummed they've been dodging around 'shield world' this whole time just to finally come out and say 'shield world'. But eh, that's more marketing for you.

Not sure how I feel about new players being able to jump into the middle of a game. Halo is so much about teamwork and relying on your team, and if your team is constantly dropping in and out, there will be no way to do that without getting a party together. :( And then there's the whole fairness thing. No real way to compare yourself to everyone else who you're playing with and against, because you have no way of knowing at what point they entered the match.

^ Biggest complaint right there. Was kinda iffy about no Firefight, but I think Spartan Ops is going to more than make up for it if it actually has story stuff as well.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 08:01:47 PM
Right now, players are constantly dropping. All the time. In every playlist. You know, it might be nice to have the teams fill up again instead of BTB games emptying but for three or four players.

Quitting has been a plaque in Halo, especially over the past few years. I fully support any effort to mitigate it.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 07, 2012, 08:06:30 PM
I always kinda liked that. Probably just me. It sometimes makes you form more of an alliance with your own teammates, either because you have to to survive or because you know the other team is weaker and you want to take advantage of that. I dunno. Even that was always a part of Halo for me. I genuinely think the game got more fun when players dropped, because you'd have to change up your game. Nothing was every the same. Monotony is bad. Blah blah.

Anyways, another thing I'm wondering... it's sounding like the Infinity is using virtual reality? If so... are they technically kinda shoehorning all of Halo's multiplayer into this explanation? Like all of it is throughout every Halo game has been simulated on the Infinity, with different armor setups and whatnot? I think no, but it's an interesting thought nonetheless.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
I doubt they will retroactively add in fiction like that.

I have to say that I am very impressed with the fictional ties of the entire Infinity platform. That alone is jaw-dropping.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 07, 2012, 08:18:49 PM
Calling it now. McFarlane launching scale models of Halo spaceships, using Infinity as the launching point for the series. Do want.

Seriously, the Infinity is already one of the coolest ships ever.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 08:19:44 PM
Calling it now. McFarlane launching scale models of Halo spaceships, using Infinity as the launching point for the series. Do want.

Seriously, the Infinity is already one of the coolest ships ever.

I might actually purchase one of those dreadful toys if that happens.  :D
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 07, 2012, 08:23:31 PM
Also, because everyone is talking about the new Elite, I had to look that image up.

I do think that it looks 100% BA.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 08:25:59 PM
I'm real tempted to post something about this up on the site. I can't decide which area to talk about though.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 07, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
Like... on the front page?

Quick! To the staff section!
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
Like... on the front page?

Quick! To the staff section!

Calm your fears. Spoilers won't be appearing anywhere on the front page any time soon. =)

Covenant Armada.... just wow.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 07, 2012, 11:14:42 PM
Im reading some scans right now...
    Im actually kind of pissed that Frankie and 343i made a big thing about how H4's systems werent gonna be CoD style perks or whatever
    Then we see Game Informer actually saying "gameplay changing upgrades, much like CoD or Battlefield"........ Seriously guys?..... Seriously?...

Also, the spec ops thing... They say they are gonna give us 5 new missions a week?..... Reaaly?... How long will that last?.... I cant imagine they will give us 5 new levels with new missions and interresting gameplay A WEEK for a very long time....
That said. If they can manage it... I will give them my unflinchg confidence, faith, and allegence as the new stewards of halo for the rest of its lifespan.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 07, 2012, 11:33:44 PM
Im reading some scans right now...
    Im actually kind of pissed that Frankie and 343i made a big thing about how H4's systems werent gonna be CoD style perks or whatever
    Then we see Game Informer actually saying "gameplay changing upgrades, much like CoD or Battlefield"........ Seriously guys?..... Seriously?...

Also, the spec ops thing... They say they are gonna give us 5 new missions a week?..... Reaaly?... How long will that last?.... I cant imagine they will give us 5 new levels with new missions and interresting gameplay A WEEK for a very long time....
That said. If they can manage it... I will give them my unflinchg confidence, faith, and allegence as the new stewards of halo for the rest of its lifespan.

Game Informer isn't 343. Nobody from 343 made those statements about the direct comparison. Again, there are no perks or anything like perks. Read over what is said and the information available again.

We already have Loadouts in Reach. Halo 4 will provide an evolution, a logical progressive step, of this particular feature.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 08, 2012, 04:25:31 AM
Game Informer isn't 343. Nobody from 343 made those statements about the direct comparison. Again, there are no perks or anything like perks. Read over what is said and the information available again.

We already have Loadouts in Reach. Halo 4 will provide an evolution, a logical progressive step, of this particular feature.

      Yeah... But i feel like the whole article was probably run past the PR team at 343 or Microsoft and the would make sure everything was kosher before letting It out into the world...

     Eh, but for the more intelligent people (like you and i), the stigmatism around "perks" has nothing to do with the word "Perks". Rather around the system it represents... Personally, i grouped perks in with "weapon upgrades" since they do similar things... Just make me better than you because ive played for longer, and i bought the special super scope thing....

    ...Cause there is mods of some kind, whether it be weapon mods or armor mods (which would be the halo name for perks) personally, i think with the way they described it... It seems like it would be armor mods... Which would just be perks... (like; i got the reload fast armor mod, but its not the "sleight of hand" perk! Haha! Got yah! No CoD here! *wink*) but the more i think about it, it could also be weapon modifications...

Also, Post:
Spartan Ops gets me very excited. Usually I don't like games forcing me to come back to play them on their time or I miss story. But for Halo, an exception can be made. This time around, it'll be nice to have a better reason to play Halo consistently. And that's that if I don't, I'll miss cool story stuff.

I dont know if you caught it, but there was a little blurb on the last page that said that spartan ops missions wouldnt dissappear after the week. It said that the spartan ops's content wouldnt expire, so that if a player came in, in the middle of the season, he would be able to get all caught up

Also, to Dave:
Well, not sure about the visual design of the Covenant (what happened to the Grunts?) but at least single-player doesn't seem off-the -wall.

Multiplayer, on the other hand. :(

What's your beef with the covy's new style? Cause personally i loved it. And it was Exactly what i was hoping for and expecting.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 09, 2012, 12:16:56 AM
Well, first off, as has been made very obvious by many of my earlier comments, I like consistency and a sort of natural evolution as opposed to artistic change for the same of it. Admitted we don't have all the info about the events of 2553-2557, but I don't imagine a crumbling race would have armor that looked like that. I'd rather have something more akin to he H3 versions, but patched.

As for their surface treatment, Elites have always been modeled and described as shark like -- and that goes for their skin too. The elites they show in the mag look more like Jackals than any Elite we've seen previously.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 09, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
but I don't imagine a crumbling race would have armor that looked like that.
What do you mean? I think it definately looks right for their situation... (as long as you accept that reach armor system is the canon, and stop resisting it... Or you could accept my jank explaination for all of the armor changes in the elite society over time... cause i got one, which could also fit a going back to reach style... Kind of)
  ...and we dont know if it is a mix of the two systems either, you cant really say for sure. I mean, the blue elite we saw's helmet could easily be an assault or a commando (from H3) reinvisioned... Actually, its probably closer to those than it is to the standard elite minor...
And a mix of the two systems canonically, would be the best, cause the elites would just be grabbing whatever armor they could find

   As for the comment about their skin consistancy. I see where you are coming from. But those elites that were descibed, would be considered "pampered" by the elites of today. What with the full set of functional polished armor. Theyre skin was probably not exposed to the elements very often, thus it had a smoother, rubbery, shark-like feel to it. Whereas, we see this elite, who very well may not ever have had an arm protector. And he may not even have energy sheilds... So his arm is going to get burnt and mangled, and super super calous. Especially when it is within a real close distance of a plasma weapon's discharge....
    So, i dont know, thats my explaination of the skin...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on April 09, 2012, 08:26:37 AM
I've never taken Halo multiplayer all that seriously. I never had Xbox live to play Halo 2 online on the xbox, and I only really enjoyed co-op campaign. The only REAL fun I had in Halo multiplayer was driving around sandtrap in the scorpion, blowing up anything that moved from across the map, then they killed BTB.

Vehicles were never balanced properly, and so they tried to avoid them by focusing on smaller maps and game types, which is silly, because they are such a core component of the franchise.

 I don't think anything they do with Halo 4 multiplayer is going to get me all that interested.

Definitely not as interested as Dust 514 which has me wanting to buy a PS3.

Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 09, 2012, 08:32:24 AM
I think you'll like the spec ops campagns capac :) since those are practically just single player
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on April 09, 2012, 09:18:43 AM
I think you'll like the spec ops campagns capac :) since those are practically just single player

We'll see. I was already a tad dubious about Halo 4, and now with all this Mass Effect 3 garbage, my level of cynicism has shot through the roof.

Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 10, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
I think you'll like the spec ops campagns capac :) since those are practically just single player

We'll see. I was already a tad dubious about Halo 4, and now with all this Mass Effect 3 garbage, my level of cynicism has shot through the roof.

Well, I think it's good to be cynical (and I entirely agree with your points about game journalism on your site), but on the other hand hope must spring eternal :)

If the additional single-player/co-op content is done right, then the multi really is just icing on the cake for me--I might not play the game as often but it'll be more fondly remembered.

Hopefully they will clarify everything revealed thus far in the Sparkcast/bulletins so we can all decide with proper evidence whether we'll love it or hate it :)

We're supposed to learn who the Halo 4 composer is tomorrow, so hopefully that will be the start of a good news cycle!
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 10, 2012, 11:52:24 PM
Finally got my digital issue. To hell with the postal service.

They all but confirmed that Forerunners are the new class of enemies with this here:

"We wanted to create a set of enemies that work together in a collaborative way, where each one of those enemies builds on and accentuates the abilities of the others. So when you face an individual enemy they offer one challenge, but as you layer those enemies together it changes the experience in important ways and heightens the challenge. If anything, they're kind of elevated in terms of their intelligence and complexity relative to the Covenant."

If you don't know what I'm talking about, go re-watch Origins pt. I from Halo Legends, and pay close attention to how the Forerunners function in combat.

Well... if that didn't confirm it, the whole 'planet inside a shield world' thing did.

One thing I'm worried about is that line from MC "I thought we had a truce with the Covenant?" My question is... how did he know that? He was frozen the whole time, and didn't even stay awake long enough to find out about the peace negotiations in any way. I just feel like this line is kind of breaking the fourth wall... making Chief aware of something that only us as players would know about, and that's not cool. Hopefully there's an explanation for it. But that's my only complaint really.

I actually really like Cortana's new look. She looks younger and more vulnerable (the opposite of what I thought when I saw the announcement trailer), which accentuates the crisis that she faces.

Oh, and new grenade types. One represented by a diamond.

Anyways... the information on its own didn't excite me that much. But after reading it in GI with a little more context, I can say that I'm honestly very excited for this game. Much more so than I was before. Every little thing I see (visually) gets me more and more excited for the direction 343 is taking Halo in. And I say... it's about time.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 11, 2012, 12:11:17 AM
Not digging the Elites or Grunts. I suspect this will be a hit-and-miss visual pastiche along the lines of Reach for me. Oh well.

I'm not sure about that line. It might just be placeholder content, it might have been truncated for the GI issue, or it might just be depending on the context--if the Chief is fighting Elites it makes sense that he'd be a bit confused since last they saw humanity and the Elites were making nice, but I dunno.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 11, 2012, 01:00:03 AM
The Grunts will never be better than they were in Halo 2. XP

I'm happy for a return to the Elites of Halo 3, but with a lot of influence from Reach's design. They're basically like the H3 Elites, but more aggressive looking, as it should be.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 11, 2012, 02:29:48 AM
I'll agree with you on the Grunts from a design standpoint--they were still vaguely cute then, and I just found their backpack shape to be the best (didn't like Reach's variations that much.)

I guess the salve is that the art shown suggests we'll be getting back to the trilogy Banshee wing design. W00t.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 11, 2012, 04:20:08 AM
I guess the salve is that the art shown suggests we'll be getting back to the trilogy Banshee wing design. W00t.

:( I liked the new Banshee...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 11, 2012, 09:00:41 AM
John did fight with the Thel and the other Sangheili on Earth and installation 00 and 04b so I think it's reasonable that he would think there is still a truce going on (which there may still be, at least with some elite factions). These guys seem more like a rogue faction rather than representations of the whole of the Sangheili species, though I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 11, 2012, 11:58:38 AM
Well, that they have Grunts and (by squinting at the concept art) possibly Jackals, I would assume this is a more organized faction--maybe during the events of Glasslands there's a full-scale Elite civil war, and the side that opposes the Arbiter ends up turning into a sort of mini-Covenant--they still believe in the divinity of the Forerunners and abhor human desecration of their relics.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 11, 2012, 12:31:10 PM
I would assume this is a more organized faction--maybe during the events of Glasslands there's a full-scale Elite civil war, and the side that opposes the Arbiter ends up turning into a sort of mini-Covenant--they still believe in the divinity of the Forerunners and abhor human desecration of their relics.

I was thinking the same thing. Guess we'll have to wait for Glasslands: Glass harder, I mean the Thursday War, to find out. The fact they they state that it appears an entire fleet of covenant vessels is there makes me second guess it though, unless the Arbiter does get assassinated, and the "rebels" take control over the sanghelli race.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 11, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Well, that they have Grunts and (by squinting at the concept art) possibly Jackals, I would assume this is a more organized faction--maybe during the events of Glasslands there's a full-scale Elite civil war, and the side that opposes the Arbiter ends up turning into a sort of mini-Covenant--they still believe in the divinity of the Forerunners and abhor human desecration of their relics.

    Lets be honest here, the fact that you have grunts on your side, does not actually lend credibility to your organization. And jackal's are pretty much just around for the highest bidder to take. So they dont really lend credibility... If any race were to lend credibility to a faction's legitimacy, it would probably be if you had new mgalekgolo... Since, if you want to make more of them, you got to 'produce' them...

   Another thing to think about is, those covenent have most likely already been inside the sheild world, if they werent already in there when they attack the Fud...
       So think about what the reintroduction of Forerunners back on the scene would do for the current political and religeous state of the former covenent races, especially the sanghellie . . .
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on April 11, 2012, 03:16:23 PM
I think you'll like the spec ops campagns capac :) since those are practically just single player

We'll see. I was already a tad dubious about Halo 4, and now with all this Mass Effect 3 garbage, my level of cynicism has shot through the roof.

Well, I think it's good to be cynical (and I entirely agree with your points about game journalism on your site), but on the other hand hope must spring eternal :)

If the additional single-player/co-op content is done right, then the multi really is just icing on the cake for me--I might not play the game as often but it'll be more fondly remembered.

Hopefully they will clarify everything revealed thus far in the Sparkcast/bulletins so we can all decide with proper evidence whether we'll love it or hate it :)

We're supposed to learn who the Halo 4 composer is tomorrow, so hopefully that will be the start of a good news cycle!

Didn't think anyone was actually READING it lol.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 11, 2012, 03:37:49 PM
I think you'll like the spec ops campagns capac :) since those are practically just single player

We'll see. I was already a tad dubious about Halo 4, and now with all this Mass Effect 3 garbage, my level of cynicism has shot through the roof.

Well, I think it's good to be cynical (and I entirely agree with your points about game journalism on your site), but on the other hand hope must spring eternal :)

If the additional single-player/co-op content is done right, then the multi really is just icing on the cake for me--I might not play the game as often but it'll be more fondly remembered.

Hopefully they will clarify everything revealed thus far in the Sparkcast/bulletins so we can all decide with proper evidence whether we'll love it or hate it :)

We're supposed to learn who the Halo 4 composer is tomorrow, so hopefully that will be the start of a good news cycle!

Didn't think anyone was actually READING it lol.

Well, now you've got one reader at least :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 17, 2012, 09:45:12 PM
New Sparkcast is out. listening now.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 17, 2012, 10:39:45 PM
Wow... Well, i think that cleared up alot of stuff...

   It was interresting, i think frankie played it very well, He seemed to catch like 90% of the things people said that could have been misinterperated and then re-explain those things and make them less worrysome...
   But yeah, I think im a little bit More worried about Spartan Ops now... Some parts sounded like they were just gonna do a ME3 style survival-objective thing... Idk...

Also, something i thought about was; Assault Carbine = Smg.2? (possibly?)

Another thing was; it sounded like Rosster teeth is doing the CG series for Spartan Ops... At least, thats what i figured...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 17, 2012, 11:31:07 PM
The Rooster Teeth thing would make sense, certainly.

And I definitely agree that the carbine sounded a whole lot like the SMG in the shield-stripping action. Which sounds fine by me.

I still can't really envision Spartan Ops in my head that well. I think I'm going to need to have it in my hands (or at least see a sample video).
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 18, 2012, 12:30:23 AM
    Yeah, although, some of the evidence (ie: that Burnie was being showed some weapons) is undermined by the fact that they did those 2 new videos in halo 4... Those 2 videos that ruined the look of the new armor for everyone   >:(

   The Real Question is; Whycome me and Dave are the only ones with thoughts/opinions on the podcast?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 18, 2012, 12:37:09 AM
I don't know where to find the podcast, although I'll admit I haven't tried to find it. Depending on how long it is, Ill either listen to it tonight or tomorrow on my lunch break. Kinda new to the whole podcast thing, I really only listen to FuD's because I know where to find it, and I enjoy them because I understand the speakers from conversations in the forums.

When it comes to "big announcements", as opposed to speculation, I prefer them to be relatively quick and to the point. Since I don't have much experience with podcasts, I usually just read what others have found, but I'll give this one a try if you all can point me in the right direction :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 18, 2012, 01:12:45 AM
Haha, i think its worth a shot, and you can see what you think.
   Just search "343 Sparkast" in itunes (thats 'Sparkast', Not sparkCast) and its the one without any thumbnale... So just download it and your good. (this ep is 44 mins, but usually they are like 20)
     And now, Six, you can be your own Man, and interperate the info directly, instead of relying on other people to form your opinions ;D

*Oh, and its the 12th Ep, if you were wondering
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 18, 2012, 01:19:58 AM
The Real Question is; Whycome me and Dave are the only ones with thoughts/opinions on the podcast?

Jeez, I mean give me a few minutes to listen to it, right? It only just came out today. :P I've got a busy schedule.

Anyways, thoughts:

I'm really, really liking their approach to customizable weapon starts. The specific focus on making sure that no weapons are more powerful than any others is really good, but more importantly it allows Halo to finally showcase something I've been hoping for for a long time, and that is either 1) multiple models of the same weapon or 2) a larger variety of weapons with similar damage yet different functionality. The DMR and the BR might do the same amount of damage, but they're used in totally different ways, which allows you to customize your play style based on usage rather than which weapon is more powerful. That's definitely a great way to keep it away from the irreparable mess that Call of Duty fell into and have it remain distinctly Halo.

If RT is doing SpartanOps cutscenes, they better use real physics. Can't stand the cheesy fight scenes in RvB from a realism standpoint. They work for their comedic universe, but not for regular Halo. I mean, I don't think this would be a problem, but still... the fact that they're outsourcing does concern me a bit. Just the same way there's a huge difference between the facial animation of Reach to Anniversary, I don't want there to be a huge difference in cutscene quality between Spartan Ops and standard campaign. Outsourcing makes this more likely. :/
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 18, 2012, 01:22:51 AM
Thanks Tar, I was trying to say that I value Dave and your opinions, but now I know otherwise  ;D
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 18, 2012, 01:36:35 AM
     I definately agree on the Weapons + Loadouts front Post, I think it also just really helps build the atmosphere of this actually being a war that has been going on for a while, if you have all fo these similar weapons, but that are used in different sircumstances

     The only thing that would make me skeptical is that RvB is in full swing production of Their 10th season, so it would be real hard for monty and his Crew (sorry, if nobody knows who that is--{RvB animation team}) to juggle two productions like that... So i dont know...
    But at the same time, I kinda have full faith in Burnie Burns to make Really good and serious cutscenes and stuff if they are working on it... Cause, Despite the cheesey-comedy world that the story takes place in. I thought that Seasons 6-8 had a really interresting story-arc. And the fight scenes were unlrealistic, but still looked cool.... Soooo...

    Im kinda wondering though... I feel like they should have brought back the dudes who did the Wars cutscenes, you know?... But it really does seem like RT is doing them...


  *oh yeah, and six, on the topic of podcasts... I have to say, i think the RT podcast is Freaking hilarious, i would definately recommend it. (not really a gaming podcast though, dont be fooled)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 18, 2012, 02:10:55 AM
I definitely think the physics should be realistic, but I assume that would be a foregone conclusion since it's not a RvB short.

The custom animation is one of the reasons I stopped following RvB. I got into it in season 3 or 4 and watched it regularly right up until shortly after Reconstruction. I just felt that after meeting that emotional and comedic highpoint, they kinda slumped, and bringing in so much custom animation sort of killed the appeal in part.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 18, 2012, 03:31:00 AM
   Reconstruction... Thats season 7 right?... I though season 8 was a pretty good mix though. And it wasnt THAT bad.. I thought 8 was not too bad... (8 being the last of the Re- series)...
   But yeah, i kinda feel the same way though... But i keep watching... Mainly just to kill a few minutes at the end of the week. But yeah, Especially with the latest season, season 9.... It was just bad on all sides... And they are moving further away from the actual "Machinima" that made them great.

   But like, the dialogue between the Director and the other dude, that started out every episode of season 6... Some real good writing there... I loved those parts...


    But yes Obviously. Im sure they will have real physics. And im sure that if they did make it... It would be nothing like RvB... Like, i have confidence that they would be able to do a good job with the Spartan Ops cutscenes. And like, make them good enough that you wouldnt be able to tell that RoosterTeeth made them.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 18, 2012, 04:06:46 AM
Im kinda wondering though... I feel like they should have brought back the dudes who did the Wars cutscenes, you know?

I would be in heaven.

I think it's also really interesting that I published that BTFL article mentioning the possibility of pre-rendered cutscenes in H4 more as a thought exercise than anything else, and then suddenly they come out and announce that a portion of the game will have them. I think it's a great way of getting the best of both worlds; immersive cutscene for the campaign where more immersion is a given, and then the higher detail in an almost expanded universe multiplayer expansion. It's a really cool alternative.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 18, 2012, 08:40:09 AM
The Real Question is; Whycome me and Dave are the only ones with thoughts/opinions on the podcast?

Because I've just woken up lol. I did listen to it last night though, and they explained a lot of things without actually explaining them.

And where was it mentioned that Rooster Teeth could be doing the CG for Spartan Ops? I think that would be terrible. Don't get wrong I think RvB is great (not so great these days though), I don't think that they have the right amount of expertise to make it right, and tell a story with it. And surely a whole team would needed to make a weekly CG cutscene of a high enough quality, rather than just the one guy they have now. I dunno, I'm not so happy with the new seasons of RvB. I much preferred it when they had to rely on great dialogue rather than a Michael Bay explosion-fest.

Here's everything that I took from it:

- You can't spawn with a power weapon, such as a Rocket launcher. Obviously you can in Customs, and Forge (If they'd announce it already!)
- You will be slowed down if shot at while sprinting. (Awesome idea).
- If you loved Firefight, then you will love Spartan Ops.
- There is a big focus on the fiction in Spartan Ops, and it seems there will be some sort 'CG' element in the story telling.
- Small maps won't feature inappropriate weapons (like a Sniper) and vice-versa.
- There is no instant respawns on any or at least some of the objective gametypes. (It seems to be only the PVP style gametypes).
- Experience and equipment earned in Spartan Ops is carried over into Competative multiplayer.
- Oh and the sniper sounds like thunder apparently, so everybody will know where it came from. (As it should be).

I know some tof that has already been mentioned but there you go. And I probably missed or misheard loads of stuff too. ::)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 18, 2012, 01:25:20 PM
Alright, I'm finally up to speed on the Podcast.

First off, I have to say that after listening to this Podcast, I am even more anxious to get my hands on the game!

The first item that got my attention was the discussion of the weapon drops, and how they actually are drops (get it?). They made it sound so awesome, and just the concept of it alone seems like a fascinating new gameplay mechanic. They wen't into much detail to explain that the incoming drop zone will be clearly marked on the map as to where it will land and what weapon it will be. I am really looking forward to how it will look and sound coming in, hopefully better done than the weapon drops in Firefight on Reach.

Some rampant speculation on the subject matter: so, since mutliplayer will have a fictional aspect to it, and since I have a pretty good feeling we will see the weapon drop mechanic during the campaign as well, I started to think; realistically, these weapons have to drop from somewhere, they don't just materialize in descent to the planet. SO does anyone else think of the Infinity as the ship that will be sending these weapons down? Will the Infinity be following us in orbit throughout the campaign/multiplayer?

EVEN FURTHER RAMPANT SPECULATION AHEAD: Will the Infinity become the Chief's home or base of operations? I don't mean that he has command of the vessel, but this is where he will prepare for his missions and his primary means of galactic transportation? Sorry, I have been playing a lot of Mass Effect lately, but I still think that would be a really cool idea.

The other item that got me really excited, even though it was mentioned before in somewhat great detail before, is the sounds of the weapons. 343i did a tremendous job of revamping the weapon sounds in Halo: CEA. The way the sniper sounded gave me chills, and is now my favorite weapon sound of any game, EVER. So I have really high expectations for the new sniper rifle in H4, especially since it was described as a bolt of lighting cracking in your hands in the Podcast (squeals like a little school girl).

I also remember Frankie discussing that someone told him that the sound of the plasma pistol was scary, and I can't even imagine that, so that is another one I am really looking forward to because it is not a natural sound, as compared to the sniper.

I am gonna listen to the podcast again, this time while fully awake and taking notes, and post some further thoughts, but these two things stuck out to me while I was half awake in bed listening to this last night.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 18, 2012, 02:17:05 PM
I think it's a great way of getting the best of both worlds; immersive cutscene for the campaign where more immersion is a given, and then the higher detail in an almost expanded universe multiplayer expansion. It's a really cool alternative.
I had the same thoughts when i first heard about Sops too. Maybe they read the BTFs?

SO does anyone else think of the Infinity as the ship that will be sending these weapons down? Will the Infinity be following us in orbit throughout the campaign/multiplayer?
    Well... All these levels in the multiplayer take place on the infinity... On the combat deck... So... There isnt actually a planet to orbit... It all holographic
    However, i definately think that there will be something to the effect you are looking for, with the whole Sops thing and the infinity. Cause they keep reffering to the
 infinity kind of like being the "base" of operations for Sops and MP

EVEN FURTHER RAMPANT SPECULATION AHEAD: Will the Infinity become the Chief's home or base of operations?
    That would be a good idea... But I dont think so... It has been said that the Chief and the Infinity will "cross paths" during the Campaign. But "cross paths" doesnt sound very much like set up a base  :(

And where was it mentioned that Rooster Teeth could be doing the CG for Spartan Ops? I think that would be terrible. Don't get wrong I think RvB is great (not so great these days though), I don't think that they have the right amount of expertise to make it right, and tell a story with it. And surely a whole team would needed to make a weekly CG cutscene of a high enough quality, rather than just the one guy they have now.

It wasnt stated, but they did say things like "it was actually pretty cool when we got to show the guy who was doing the cutscenes, that we had used an element of something that ws also in one of their episodes"  -- who else is affiliated with halo, that makes CG stuff, that makes "Episodes"...
   I doubt they will be making "weekly cutscenes". I think that everything will be done beforehand, and they will just release them every week. And yeah, RT also within the past few months have hired like 6 new guys to work in the animation department... Also lends creedence to the theory....
   What makes everyone think that if RT did do the cutscenes, then the cutscenes would be just like RvB? I think that if they were signed on to do the cutscenes; First off, they would have just as many writers from 343 as from Roosterteeth in the script meetings. And, I think that they Definately have the ability to make a product completely unlike RvB, that is a Halo thing.. Remember, they are all fans too, and just because the Video series they make has big explosions, doesnt mean that they think that that is how Halo SHOULD look....
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 18, 2012, 03:34:40 PM
Remember, they are all fans too, and just because the Video series they make has big explosions, doesnt mean that they think that that is how Halo SHOULD look....

Yeah you're right, but RvB is pretty much the only thing I have to judge them by that's all. I assumed that a bigger budget studio would be doing such animation. I've changed my mind on the whole topic of CG vs In-game too: Halo Wars style cutscenes please!

Will the Infinity become the Chief's home or base of operations? I don't mean that he has command of the vessel, but this is where he will prepare for his missions and his primary means of galactic transportation? Sorry, I have been playing a lot of Mass Effect lately, but I still think that would be a really cool idea.

Yeah maybe he can talk to his crewmates and solve their personal issues out through loyalty missions. ;) I'm joking, but I don't think this will happen. However I can see the Infinity making weapon drops (great idea). Though why wouldn't the Infinity unleash it's arsenal against the new enemy if it was there? Something will probably drop weapons into the battlefield though (like the Pelicans in H2). Seems inevitable that the Infinity will make an appearance at some point. Good thinking there.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 18, 2012, 04:01:09 PM

Yeah maybe he can talk to his crewmates and solve their personal issues out through loyalty missions. ;) I'm joking, but I don't think this will happen. However I can see the Infinity making weapon drops (great idea). Though why wouldn't the Infinity unleash it's arsenal against the new enemy if it was there? Something will probably drop weapons into the battlefield though (like the Pelicans in H2). Seems inevitable that the Infinity will make an appearance at some point. Good thinking there.

Yeah while I want the Chief to be exploring on his own, it'd be great if later on in the game or in later games he gets a real support ship like the Infinity. You clear an area, they drop off more weapons from on-high, give you intel you can heed or disregard, etc. Especially since friendly AI units are so stupid and weak, support of a different kind would really be more welcome.

I think I'd actually prefer RvB style cutscenes (assuming they tone down the wackiness) because they'd likely mesh better with the graphics of the actual game. While the difference between the prerendered cutscenes and gameplay in Halo Wars was obviously much larger, I still don't like the disconnect between what we see in game and when we aren't in control.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 20, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
(http://h11.abload.de/img/halo4_360_editeur_0143ijcc.jpg)

If MC has been drifting for 4 yrs and so many months (can't find the accurate quote), then how come this computer terminal says the last contact was within three years?  :o
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 20, 2012, 02:12:42 PM
Who says Cortana didn't actually get back in contact the UNSC at some point? Otherwise where'd she get the firmware upgrades, etc.?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 20, 2012, 02:45:18 PM
   Yeah, then that would give a reason for The UNSC suddenly showing up in the middle of nowhere for MC , with at very least the crown jewel of their fleet, in the middle of the campaign. Maybe it just takes them like a few years to prepare, then like another few months to a year for them to fly out there and find them...

Could also explain Cortana and cheif's supposed knowledge of a covy allience in the first level of H4
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 20, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Aye. At some point they responded to the distress call and Cortana gave them their heading, but due to slipspace distances plus liminal communication it took them that long to respond. Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on April 20, 2012, 02:59:31 PM
Also some explanation for the more major armor upgrades? Maybe? I know Halo is getting a major aesthetic overhaul, but I can still hope for this little tidbit to ease the transition...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 26, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
I'm not sure where to post this but I saw this a few hours ago. A few very nice details from the almighty Louis Wu. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned it yet.

http://www.littleenglishhaloblog.com/2012/04/people-playing-halo-4.html#more

Oh, and am I actually aloud to post links like this? I'm just not in the mood to type things up right now that's all.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 26, 2012, 09:45:35 PM
Why wouldn't you be able to?  :)

Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 26, 2012, 09:59:20 PM
Why wouldn't you be able to?  :)

I posted a Youtube link regarding some Halo 4 news last time, and it was removed. Not the same principle, but just making sure. I really like that guy's site anyway.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 27, 2012, 08:37:38 PM
Thats awesome! Thank you so much for that link (i like his sight too)
     What are peoples impressions though? Why hasnt anyone talked about this yet?

I for one, dont know how i feel about the whole "2 extra slots for extra ammo or faster sheild regen" thing....

Also, that scene from the first level in campaign... Beautiful... Just... Beautiful...


EDIT: nother new article: Gamespot's impressins (http://uk.gamespot.com/features/how-343-is-reinventing-halo-6373407/?tag=Topslot%3bReinventingHalo%3bHow343IsReinventingHa)

Some useful info, most of it weve already heard
  My favs:
   Apparently, 343 is giving Halo 4 the largest levels of any game (take that with a grain of salt though)
   Season one of Sops will be free, Season 2 may be payed DLC, may come with Halo 5, they are still working it out. (just interresting to have it clarified)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 27, 2012, 09:25:57 PM
Well, you can have large levels and they don't feel large (i.e., Halo 2)... so we'll hafta' see.

Not that surprising that the rest of the Ops stuff will likely be DLC, hopefully it's reasonably priced.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 27, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
Yeah I don't mind that the Ops DLC may be charged DLC, but it has to be cheap, as I don't want to pay for that DLC and any multiplayer map packs too. I respect that they've admitted the state of affairs though regarding DLC, rather than just saying it will be free and then charging a ridiculous price later down the line.

And the largest levels? The campaign is just sounding better and better (Whether that means size or length I don't know, Hopefully both!).

And while I would prefer there to be no gameplay altering customising, I think 2 slightly altering items might be good for specialising in particular team roles. I want it to be like the ME3 armour, where some stats are increased at the cost of others. I doubt this will happen though. But if this is as far as such customising goes, excluding weapons, then I'm OK with that.

As always, I'll judge these features when I play around with them. I want to go into this open-minded, rather than condemning something before I have even played it.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 27, 2012, 10:00:10 PM
And the largest levels? The campaign is just sounding better and better (Whether that means size or length I don't know, Hopefully both!).

And while I would prefer there to be no gameplay altering customising, I think 2 slightly altering items might be good for specialising in particular team roles. I want it to be like the ME3 armour, where some stats are increased at the cost of others. I doubt this will happen though. But if this is as far as such customising goes, excluding weapons, then I'm OK with that.

As always, I'll judge these features when I play around with them. I want to go into this open-minded, rather than condemning something before I have even played it.

Agreed on the level size. (i actually hope that they sort of "stretch" on that front. Cause, In Halo 2; escapeing the level, and then running around in the massive open areas and cities, was always SUPER fun)

Well, for customizing, more ammo... Thats kinda like a weapon mod... But i guess its not really.
 Youre right; everything will be judged on its own merit when we play it. But that doesnt exclude me from speculating and discussing how i feel about what i know now :P
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 27, 2012, 10:30:23 PM
In Halo 2; escapeing the level, and then running around in the massive open areas and cities, was always SUPER fun)

Delta Halo was one of the best levels for that. Just cruising around the hills in my Ghost, and then skipping half of the mission by accident. :D
Outskirts was cool too. Especially when I came across that infinite powered energy sword!

Man, Halo 2 was awesome. It's definitely the campaign for Halo 4 to beat in terms of massive sandbox areas.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 27, 2012, 10:56:25 PM
Well, but aside from breaking the game, Halo 2 is the most linear and disappointing campaign for me. There's a lot of interesting stuff, but in normal gameplay you can't actually *get* there.

For its faults, Reach succeeded in offering a lot more freedom in the same types of scenarios.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 27, 2012, 11:46:52 PM
For its faults, Reach succeeded in offering a lot more freedom in the same types of scenarios.

That's a fair argument about the H2 campaign. But I found the Reach campaign to be the most restrictive so far. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as it was more focused than most of the other games, but I certainly didn't feel like I had too many choices. I always felt like I was being funnelled towards the objective. Even the natural environments were just corridors in disguise.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 28, 2012, 12:01:25 AM
For its faults, Reach succeeded in offering a lot more freedom in the same types of scenarios.

That's a fair argument about the H2 campaign. But I found the Reach campaign to be the most restrictive so far. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as it was more focused than most of the other games, but I certainly didn't feel like I had too many choices. I always felt like I was being funnelled towards the objective. Even the natural environments were just corridors in disguise.

How so? In replaying the missions recently I'm surprised by how many of the encounters you can skip if you're so inclined.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 28, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
    As much as i hate to agree with dave on this point (cause i dont Actually agree with him) i think he's right. Think of winter contingency and New alexandria... Those are both Really big levels, where the layout and path and order of the objectives is fluid, and will change depending on your actions...
    However, i think of levels like Metropolis, where, they seem big (cause they are Huge) but the area where you actually play the game is much smaller. Like, if you go through those levels in your head. They are actually pretty linear. (with the exception of a few smaller parts in every level)  And in metropolis, for the first half of the level you were on a bridge (not much diversity) then you were on an underground road (not many options of places to go there either)

     However! I would submit that the downfall of Reach's levels, wasnt that they Werent expansive and sandbox-y, rather that they didnt really totally Feel like they were. And it doesnt matter how big a level is or how sandbox-y the design is, if it doesnt make you feel like it is. Whereas in H2, those levels werent necessarily the biggest or had the best sandbox, but some of them made you FEEL like they were... And therein lies their success.

Delta Halo was one of the best levels for that. Just cruising around the hills in my Ghost, and then skipping half of the mission by accident. :D
Outskirts was cool too. Especially when I came across that infinite powered energy sword!

Man, Halo 2 was awesome. It's definitely the campaign for Halo 4 to beat in terms of massive sandbox areas.

Umm... You forgot the coolest one :D... Metropolis flying around that massive city and getting the scarab gun...


EDIT: May GI to have New H4 info introducing the SP characters + more Detailed MP info
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 28, 2012, 07:26:28 PM
Maybe you're right about the Reach thing... I think my issues with the campaign have more to do with the gameplay fundamentals and story rather than the actual flow itself. I really do think Reach had the most polished campaign of all the games.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on April 28, 2012, 07:46:50 PM
Maybe you're right about the Reach thing... I think my issues with the campaign have more to do with the gameplay fundamentals and story rather than the actual flow itself. I really do think Reach had the most polished campaign of all the games.

Yeah I agree. Halo 2 in particular felt like an experiment, as it didn't really stick to one theme for very long. And while Reach was limited by the existing fiction, it meant that they could focus on other aspects more. I still wasn't too convinced by Noble team to be honest. But after reading Leviathan's novel, even if it isn't exactly canon, I felt like they were a team who have been through a lot together.

I don't think having that outside view with Noble Six was a good idea to be honest. I wanted to be part of a Spartan team who all knew each other well from the get go. It allowed the player to make their own Spartan entirely I suppose, but I felt it sacrificed what could have been some more character-driven moments. Six always felt like the odd one out, the new guy, and it meant that I lost what was one of the most anticipated  parts of the game for me: being in a squad of spartans. Hopefully Spartan Ops can emulate this better.

And I absolutely loved Halo Reach by the way, just not as much as the others in the series. My main issue with it was the watered-down plot. It got interesting in the last two missions, but until then I felt like nothing I did made any impact on the overarching storyline. Which would have been fine if the characters were focused on more.

You forgot the coolest one :D... Metropolis flying around that massive city and getting the scarab gun...

I blocked out those memories of luring a Banshee into the tunnel for an hour, then finding out the easier method of using the crates above the Scarab to jump up to the gun... I was not amused. It was worth it though. :D
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 28, 2012, 08:15:09 PM
Six always felt like the odd one out, the new guy

Sixftunder, are you gonna take that? He's talking smack about you!  ;D

Maybe you're right about the Reach thing... I think my issues with the campaign have more to do with the gameplay fundamentals and story rather than the actual flow itself. I really do think Reach had the most polished campaign of all the games.

And I absolutely loved Halo Reach by the way, just not as much as the others in the series. My main issue with it was the watered-down plot. It got interesting in the last two missions, but until then I felt like nothing I did made any impact on the overarching storyline. Which would have been fine if the characters were focused on more.

You forgot the coolest one :D... Metropolis flying around that massive city and getting the scarab gun...

I blocked out those memories of luring a Banshee into the tunnel for an hour, then finding out the easier method of using the crates above the Scarab to jump up to the gun... I was not amused. It was worth it though. :D

Agreed, i liked Reach's story. But it was something i enjoyed the first time through, but then i didnt feel the desire to re experience the story again

The banshee was better, cause you could fly back down and actually use the gun
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Slightly Live on April 29, 2012, 11:06:28 PM
One thing I'm worried about is that line from MC "I thought we had a truce with the Covenant?" My question is... how did he know that? He was frozen the whole time, and didn't even stay awake long enough to find out about the peace negotiations in any way. I just feel like this line is kind of breaking the fourth wall... making Chief aware of something that only us as players would know about, and that's not cool. Hopefully there's an explanation for it. But that's my only complaint really.

Umm, are you deliberately ignoring the events of Halo 3? The Chief went into cryo thinking he and the Arbiter are BFF's, he's just wondering why there are any Elites trying to kill him - it logically follows on his his situation, ignorant of changing events in the outside.

I don't see anything to complain about.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on April 29, 2012, 11:55:23 PM
One thing I'm worried about is that line from MC "I thought we had a truce with the Covenant?" My question is... how did he know that? He was frozen the whole time, and didn't even stay awake long enough to find out about the peace negotiations in any way. I just feel like this line is kind of breaking the fourth wall... making Chief aware of something that only us as players would know about, and that's not cool. Hopefully there's an explanation for it. But that's my only complaint really.

Umm, are you deliberately ignoring the events of Halo 3? The Chief went into cryo thinking he and the Arbiter are BFF's, he's just wondering why there are any Elites trying to kill him - it logically follows on his his situation, ignorant of changing events in the outside.

I don't see anything to complain about.

I'm worried about how contrived its all going to be. There'd better be damned good reasons for the Sangheili to turn away from the Arbiter, and do whatever it is that's going to be going on in 4. Going into Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST, Reach, we KNEW what to expect for the most part.

Who knows, maybe Halo 4 will end with us finding out slipspace was invented by the Precursors to build up civilisations to be harvested by the flood to protect us from the inevitable betrayal by artificail intelligence... oh wait...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 30, 2012, 12:06:06 AM
Well I think we're going to get plenty of info to back up the fragmentation of the Elite society with Glass Harder. I doubt they're going to kill off Arby or anything, but I can see the society being sundered in two, with the more fundamentalist groups taking to the stars like the San 'Shyuum did.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 30, 2012, 01:33:21 AM

Who knows, maybe Halo 4 will end with us finding out slipspace was invented by the Precursors to build up civilisations to be harvested by the flood to protect us from the inevitable betrayal by artificail intelligence... oh wait...

Amazing how that ending won't go away huh? haha

Anyway...


I'm worried about how contrived its all going to be. There'd better be damned good reasons for the Sangheili to turn away from the Arbiter, and do whatever it is that's going to be going on in 4. Going into Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST, Reach, we KNEW what to expect for the most part.

Well they have already laid the ground work for that in Glasslands. There are already some Sangheili that don't believe Humanity can be trusted. So if the separatists were able to get the majority of the Sangheili to believe what they believe, by oh lets say detonating a bomb on the Shangheili home world and frame Humanity for it, then there is your answer. Where have I heard that theory before.... oh yeah :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 30, 2012, 01:40:24 AM
An interesting theory, indeed...

(http://i.imgur.com/ONanT.jpg)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 30, 2012, 01:51:28 AM
lol I love your choices of meme's Dave.

But I know you and Tar have been discussing if this theory could hold up, but I mean doesn't it sound pretty plausible? I mean, when I first read the end of Glasslands, I wasn't even going to try and attempt what the blast was, or who did it. I was just gonna patiently wait until the sequel (although humanity did still sound like a prime suspect, at least with how ONI is described in the book). But once I found out about elites attacking the MC on board the FuD, it just clicked. I know there are at least two other books in the Glasslands series, so it could be something completely different, but that is what I first initially thought, and still do.

By the way, did anyone notice that Waypoint's weekly Friday giveaway question via twitter was "what ship did Master Chief escape the Ark in at the end of Halo 3?"

I sure hope I never meet someone that claims to be a fan of the series (and more importantly a member of this community) that doesn't know the answer to this question :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on April 30, 2012, 01:59:51 AM
The internet has rotted my brain. I just roll with it now.

I don't think it's not plausible, it's just personally not as interesting a plot development, I think. But ultimately I'm hoping *everyone* gets their just desserts--I'm ready for ONI to stop being the biggest bastards in the business. But maybe that's just my Star Trek mentality. I'm hoping that the new trilogy provides another level of threat that more permanently unites some of the factions.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on April 30, 2012, 02:30:42 AM

Who knows, maybe Halo 4 will end with us finding out slipspace was invented by the Precursors to build up civilisations to be harvested by the flood to protect us from the inevitable betrayal by artificail intelligence... oh wait...

Amazing how that ending won't go away huh? haha

Anyway...


I'm worried about how contrived its all going to be. There'd better be damned good reasons for the Sangheili to turn away from the Arbiter, and do whatever it is that's going to be going on in 4. Going into Halo 2, Halo 3, ODST, Reach, we KNEW what to expect for the most part.

Well they have already laid the ground work for that in Glasslands. There are already some Sangheili that don't believe Humanity can be trusted. So if the separatists were able to get the majority of the Sangheili to believe what they believe, by oh lets say detonating a bomb on the Shangheili home world and frame Humanity for it, then there is your answer. Where have I heard that theory before.... oh yeah :)

Glasslands sangheili already seem a little contrived. When I read it I couldn't understand why humanity would want to engineer conflict with the sangheili. Both parties just went through a costly war, and humanity came out of it in a better position. Humanity gained a massive scientific boost from Forerunner discoveries and acquisitions, whilst sangheili technology and society have been reduced to virtually nothing. And the 'bad' sangheili are written more like prophets than elites.

 It doesn't make sense to me that sangheili would suddenly adopt conniving political backstabbery, and yet be struggling with basic agriculture and maintenance.

I was wondering the whole time why there wasn't a joint UNSC/Sangheili taskforce hunting down the san shyuum, and why the UNSC wasn't offering more help to the sangheili in terms of agriculture and tech support, which would pay for itself in free access to ex-covenant technology.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 30, 2012, 02:53:33 AM
Glasslands sangheili already seem a little contrived. When I read it I couldn't understand why humanity would want to engineer conflict with the sangheili. Both parties just went through a costly war, and humanity came out of it in a better position. Humanity gained a massive scientific boost from Forerunner discoveries and acquisitions, whilst sangheili technology and society have been reduced to virtually nothing. And the 'bad' sangheili are written more like prophets than elites.

 It doesn't make sense to me that sangheili would suddenly adopt conniving political backstabbery, and yet be struggling with basic agriculture and maintenance.

I was wondering the whole time why there wasn't a joint UNSC/Sangheili taskforce hunting down the san shyuum, and why the UNSC wasn't offering more help to the sangheili in terms of agriculture and tech support, which would pay for itself in free access to ex-covenant technology.

As you said, the Sangheili society/culture has broken down since the covenant "disbanded". The san shyuum handled the political stuff while the Sangeheili were purely warriors. After centuries of not having to deal with ideals and how to establish a leadership, the Sangheili are essentially given a blank slate; they have to establish, not re-establish, how they govern themselves. There is no Covenant to step in a deal with this conflict and assist whatever side was sympathetic to the Covenant, either the Arbiter or the separatists. They have to deal with this difference in viewpoints on their own. That's why I think this "political backstabbery" might exist; there is no government to say or do otherwise.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on April 30, 2012, 08:22:22 AM
Glasslands sangheili already seem a little contrived. When I read it I couldn't understand why humanity would want to engineer conflict with the sangheili. Both parties just went through a costly war, and humanity came out of it in a better position. Humanity gained a massive scientific boost from Forerunner discoveries and acquisitions, whilst sangheili technology and society have been reduced to virtually nothing. And the 'bad' sangheili are written more like prophets than elites.

 It doesn't make sense to me that sangheili would suddenly adopt conniving political backstabbery, and yet be struggling with basic agriculture and maintenance.

I was wondering the whole time why there wasn't a joint UNSC/Sangheili taskforce hunting down the san shyuum, and why the UNSC wasn't offering more help to the sangheili in terms of agriculture and tech support, which would pay for itself in free access to ex-covenant technology.

As you said, the Sangheili society/culture has broken down since the covenant "disbanded". The san shyuum handled the political stuff while the Sangeheili were purely warriors. After centuries of not having to deal with ideals and how to establish a leadership, the Sangheili are essentially given a blank slate; they have to establish, not re-establish, how they govern themselves. There is no Covenant to step in a deal with this conflict and assist whatever side was sympathetic to the Covenant, either the Arbiter or the separatists. They have to deal with this difference in viewpoints on their own. That's why I think this "political backstabbery" might exist; there is no government to say or do otherwise.

I get that. It just seems to me that its as unlikely for a Sangheili to act that way as it would be for a shipmaster to take up turnips.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 30, 2012, 11:43:04 AM

I get that. It just seems to me that its as unlikely for a Sangheili to act that way as it would be for a shipmaster to take up turnips.

   Really? It seems like basic sociology to me... If you have a culture that is focused around war. And all its done is war against things and run the military for thousands of years, and the people who are in charge are only in charge because they are good warriors...    Then you suddenly take all of that away. You take away the beliefs that united them, and the enemies that they fought against....
   That culture is going to make war against something Cause its all they know how to do. They will make war against themselves and others. None of their leaders even have a grid in their head for providing food or anything. The men havent even had to ever provide food for their children. Its the last thing they will be thinking about. All they know how to do is war, many, if not most, will just do wht they know how to do.

   Also, there is hardly any "political backstabbery" in the first place; the arbiter makes his intentions known, then the people who disagree gather together and plan an assassination. They dont move to obstruct his plans. they dont make any kind of political power play. They dont break the law. And they dont do anything to the arbiter or to himder his plans. And they probably wont untill they try to kill him.

Also, youre acting like all the sanghellie are acting like this. When its just that; The Book Focus's on the ones who are rebelling. But in reality the Majority of the sanghelie are in agreement with the arbiter and are trying to rebuild. But there are always a few wackos who will dissent and disagree and rebel.
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sorry capac :P
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on April 30, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
Well put Tar.

Ultimately, it all boils down to what we don't know. For all we know, the cause of the explosion could have come from this new enemy we will be fighting in Halo 4. I'm just trying to back up my theory about the Sangheili framing humanity for the explosion. As Tar said, all they know is war, but they do have honor, so I wouldn't expect them to just announce war against humanity again for no reason other than to fight; they fight an enemy for a reason. Now if this were the brutes, that would be a different story.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 30, 2012, 12:54:34 PM
Agreed six.

*posted some big news on another thread, cause i want to hear capac's rebutle here
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on April 30, 2012, 03:53:31 PM
But there are always a few wackos who will dissent and disagree and rebel.
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sorry capac :P

That is always true. Avu Med 'Telcam acts and behaves more like a Prophet than an Elite. This isn't all that bad in and of itself, there were bound to be some Elites still following the faith.

Where it descends into contrivance is this whole 'we'll supply you and your religious extremists in your fight against our allies, who are currently reeling from societal collapse, on the promise that you will leave us alone when you are done'

Not only does this seem to be far too daft a plan for the CIC of ONI, but it is also clearly based on real world events (the US supply of Islamic extremists in Afghanistan against the collapsing Soviet Union).

The idea of allegory vs applicability as brought up in this video about Dragon Age II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onr_z45NVyI&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onr_z45NVyI&feature=plcp)) applies here.

Imagine the UNSC is the US, the Covenant is the Soviet Union, and 'Telcam and his buddies the Servants of the Abiding Truth are al-Qaeda.

The biggest problem here is that the Servants of Abiding Truth, unlike al-Qaeda, have the same extremist religious and expansionist goals as the Covenant did, whilst in real life al-Qaeda and the CCCP were religious extremists and Marxist imperialists respectively.

Imagine the Soviet Union were religious extremists, imagine they destroyed the world trade center in the 60s, attacked the mainland United States killing 75% of the population,  attempted and were prevented from deliberately causing a global nuclear holocaust in the name of their religion, and were responsible for releasing a deadly biological contaminant. Now imagine that afterwards, the Soviet Union collapsed, completely unable to maintain its infrastructure, government, agriculture, etc. whilst the ruling classes of the Soviet Union all mysteriously vanished.

Now imagine that instead of sending aid and security, the US funded extremists with the same views and beliefs that almost destroyed the world multiple times over to 'foment unrest' in the former Soviet Union, which still has stockpiles of nuclear weapons and ICBMs.

This is effectively what's going on in Glasslands.

This whole plan is hopelessly naive, and seems contrary to the Mary-Sue perfection of Parangosky, contrary to the goals of the UNSC, and contrary to logic.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 01, 2012, 01:12:40 PM
First off: Love Ya Capac!  :D all your points are good

What do you mean by 'Telcam behaves more like a prophet than an elite?

Because, a point to make here, is that weve only seen examples of how elites behave when they are military leaders (which is, granted, the great majority of the race). However, we have no clear example of how counsillors tend to behave. And they are no doubt more religeous and politically minded. So it is entirely possible that 'Telcam is emulating the behavioral styles of a counsillor, rather than a prophet.

It all comes down to the point ive made before; we cannot expect/predict an individual's behavior solely on his species anymore. We cant rely on "species sterotypes" or "character templates" for our character's personalities. Thats unrealistic and bad storytelling. With the destruction of the covenent, now every individual character chooses who he is, based on that character's personality. And we cant hold characters to a personality mold that we have in our head about how they should behave.
   This all not to say that their species plays no role in determining a character's personality. Because it still does, and a fairly large one at that. And with some races it is all but the sole determiner (ie: all raes save humans, forerunner, elites, and probably prophets)
   Bottom line is; The sanghellie are capable of just as much personality diversity as humans, so we shouldnt get all fussy when they differ a little from a stereotype.

Your points about ONI's plan being dumb are totally correct... If what you described was an accurate description of their plan.
  But from what they said in the book about their plan... Its not Quite what you described.
   First off, they are supporting radical extremests against the new covenent/the arbiter and Co... Not "the Covenent"... So to apply it to your example more accurately, it would be closer to say;
    When ukraine or something broke off of the crumbling USSR, If the US were to then start funding radical communists who were trying to overthrow the new republic of ukraine and make ukraine a communist nation again....
(ukraine=arbiter and friends) (USSR=covy) (US=ONI/UNSC) (radical commies of Ukraine='Telcam)

You might ask, "why am i being so nit picky? Its just an example" -- basically because the situation, when described more accurately, is Completely different than the one you described. And so all the points you extrapolated from the example.......

However, even in the Revised version of your example, ONI's plan still seems terrible.

Thats why i think that the situation would more accurately be described like this;
   In some new country, you have an arms dealer, that arms dealer sells stuff to the government. But is also doing some shifty and shadey buisness on the side that the new government would not like, if they found out about them.

   It would serve the arms dealer greatly if the new government doesnt become too stabilized.
   Because if the new government remains preoccupied with other things; Than it wont be coming around the arms dealer to investigate it shifty side dealings.
   Thus the arms dealer finds a radical rebel group trying to overthrow the governemnt. And starts arming them.

    Now, it is NOT the intent of the arms dealer that the rebel group will ever win and take over. Because then we have the same situation with the rebel group, and the rebel group actually being in power would probably be worse for the arms dealer than the new government.
   Rather it is the intent of the arms dealer that the rebel group will destabalize and preoccupy the new government, so that the arms dealer may go about its shifty side dealings, without fear.

(ONI=arms dealer) (arbiter and co = New government) ('Telcam = rebel group)

Which is effectively whats going on in glasslands: the humans are funding both sides of a war. So that the sanghellie do not become a stable force. And instead remain fixed on fighting themselves to worry about the humans. ONI doesnt really want the rebels to win... Just to fight...
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Post by: Capac Amaru on May 01, 2012, 02:48:32 PM
First, the stereotype thing. For thousands of years, the Covenant species have perpetuated a fairly strict caste system. The slow painful collapse of the caste system in India is a good example of what a difficult system it is to deal with when it falls apart. The Covenant species were particularly designed to be archetypal. While this doesn't mean it is impossible for 'outsiders', it has already been evidenced that the renegades that buck the trend of their archetypes have a great deal of difficulty surviving, and attracting followers.

Sadly we don't really know much about 'Telcam's real motivations... he was a language specialist, so he was already something of an outsider in Elite society, and this rejection may have inspired his religious zeal, but how did he acquire a following of Elites who would have seen him as inferior, and brutes who only appreciate power?

I don't have a problem with it so much as I would like more background.


Fomenting unrest

I don't see the point though. UNSC space has had the shit kicked out of it, but retains shipbuilding infrastructure, and has acquired a vast treasure trove of superior technology. Its also implied a few times that humanity has a faster rate of reproduction and growth than most Covenant species (except the Unggoy of course).

Humanity it seems to me already has the upper hand. It seems to me like it is in a position from which it could keep the Sangheili under thumb by drip feeding them the required technology and know how, while rebuilding itself with vastly superior tech.

Any fuel to the extremists, even a few crates of guns, is RIDICULOUSLY short-sighted and dangerous. Without knowing the fate of the Prophets, without knowing the full extent of the extremists access to Covenant and Forerunner technology, feeding the flames is a horribad idea.


Arg... must do assessment... sorry if this is all a bit stilted.


And I disagree with your modification of my example on the grounds that I do not think Sangheili society is anything near a cohesive governing body. I see them more as the fractured remains of a military, struggling with an existential crisis when they are left to fend for themselves with their chain of command destroyed and their logistics completely cut off.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 01, 2012, 10:42:27 PM
Sorry to interrupt these intellectual discussions but has anynone else noticed this? Look on Sarge' back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx-kzU3y_Nc&feature=relmfu
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 01, 2012, 11:42:47 PM
To Gunslinger; did you really just notice that....

To Capac: good points all around, but i think most of those come down to opinion about military strategy and history and whatnot... And there really is no point in debateing about opinions...

  But im interrested in your description of 'Telcam...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 02, 2012, 12:02:02 AM
Huh.

First I wasn't going to respond to y'all's posts because I was on my phone and didn't want to type.

Then I just realized I had nothing to add :)

We'll hafta' see who's right in the FUD Betting PoolTM come Glass Harder's release date.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 02, 2012, 08:05:33 AM
To Gunslinger; did you really just notice that....

Well what is it?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 02, 2012, 11:05:13 AM
No one really knows. It doesn't seem to be a jetpack, but it also doesn't correspond logically to any other AA we've heard about.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 02, 2012, 11:30:12 AM
Well what is it?

It kinda reminds me of the backpacks that the rebel troopers from hoth had... So i kinda like it

*but its probably a jet pack yeah...
    But i would be tootallly cool with a backpack aesthetic armor permutation thing... But i doubt that would happen
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 02, 2012, 11:45:49 AM
No one really knows. It doesn't seem to be a jetpack, but it also doesn't correspond logically to any other AA we've heard about.

Ok thanks. You may continue your political discussions. :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 02, 2012, 11:47:50 AM
Well what is it?

It kinda reminds me of the backpacks that the rebel troopers from hoth had... So i kinda like it

*but its probably a jet pack yeah...
    But i would be tootallly cool with a backpack aesthetic armor permutation thing... But i doubt that would happen

From the angles we've seen it seems to GIANT HONKING EQUIPMENT-styled to be a backpack... just because it would interfer with whatever jump pack you had on. But if it's a jet pack, it seems odd there's no attenuators for control....
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 02, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
Unless there are things that unfold and act as thrusters.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 02, 2012, 12:32:38 PM
Unless there are things that unfold and act as thrusters.

I think it looks more like an equipment drop, like additional ammo or a trip mine. Maybe sentry turret?
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Post by: DangerousDave on May 02, 2012, 12:40:51 PM
Unless there are things that unfold and act as thrusters.

In practice that seems overly complicated for a multiplayer feature.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 02, 2012, 01:33:08 PM
In practice that seems overly complicated for a multiplayer feature.
    I guess so...  My beef with it being a jetpack is that it doesnt look UNSC... Like it looks more like covenent (it actually looks alot like the brute jump-packs from H3)-- which i hope is how they implement the jet pack in this game --more like a jump pack than a jet pack--

I think it looks more like an equipment drop, like additional ammo or a trip mine. Maybe sentry turret?

I never thought of that, it totally could... Although idk if i want sentry turrets in the game... And it doesnt look like a trip mine really... And it seems a bit much for just an ammo pack (and i doubt if an armor mod would have that big of an aesthetic piece paired with it)
   But it could be something similar for sure
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 02, 2012, 02:49:25 PM
It kind of reminds me of humpback aliens from Dr Who...
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Post by: Sixftunder on May 02, 2012, 02:54:31 PM
Just throwing this out there as a possibility.... Maybe it has something to do with Forerunner vision?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 02, 2012, 02:58:12 PM
Just throwing this out there as a possibility.... Maybe it has something to do with Forerunner vision?

In his write up Louis Wu didn't mention the armor. He was playing with holo and Promethean Vision. So I feel like it can't be either of those.
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Post by: That Gunslinger on May 02, 2012, 03:40:06 PM
Screenshots of the FUD set.

http://kotaku.com/5906858/first-look-at-the-set-of-the-halo-4-live-action-series

LOL at the cover story. Good to see that filming is already starting.
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Post by: Postmortem on May 02, 2012, 04:06:17 PM
Lookin pretty slick. I like that statue. :P
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 02, 2012, 09:29:47 PM
 Nice find 'slinger
     I want that statue...

It kind of reminds me of humpback aliens from Dr Who...
Waiit... You watch doctor who too!!!
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 03, 2012, 04:03:07 AM
Game informer came out with  a new article (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/02/the-arsenal-of-halo-4.aspx)-- has new info on weapons and stuff, some of it hasnt been seen before. (thats what 'new' means-derp  :P)

Including the identificatiin of the OXM gun; A railgun, as i expected
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 03, 2012, 04:12:52 AM
My money's on it functioning similar to a Spartan Laser, with a short charge time before it unleashes a powerful shot.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 03, 2012, 04:50:41 AM
I'll miss the Spartan Laser.
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 03, 2012, 05:05:43 AM
There there dave, I doubt it will replace the spartan laser. I feel like in halo 4 they are kinda going for the whole "ton of weapons" philosophy... So we will probably see both...

   I think (based on nothing) that it will be a little weaker but faster shooting than the spartan laser. And the reloads will be like the opposite of a spartan laser, where you can fire it, and then it has to recharge immediatly.. So its kind of a "hyper-beam" to the spartan laser's "solar-beam"... But thats total rampant speculation based on 0 fact.

   Or Oooooo! I had a great idea: what if you did it like this: the railgun builds up charge to a certain limit, then you can fire a round by pulling the trigger like normal. But the cool thing is, you decide how much "power" to put in the shot, by how long you hold down the trigger. The longer you hold down, the faster and stronger the bullet will be. The tradeoff being: you could also shoot multiple rounds with less power in each shot if you wanted... Would be an interresting weapon--and i dont think we've seen one like it before...

NEWS: Also, A Franky-written bulletin (http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/05/02/The-Halo-Bulletin-5212.aspx) is up; more new info, good read. Funny mister chief.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 03, 2012, 05:19:04 AM
So its kind of a "hyper-beam" to the spartan laser's "solar-beam"...

MASTER CHIEF uses SOLAR BEAM! It's SUPER EFFECTIVE!

Sorry... had to.

Also, I really wish 343 would fix their site. I'm really tired of it not loading for me. :( I'll hafta wait for Claude to upload locally.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 03, 2012, 11:08:57 AM
It's been up. http://halo.bungie.org/halobulletins/48
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 03, 2012, 11:47:08 AM
Stupid government blocks. I'll have to wait until I get home to read these articles. I will say I really do hope they still have the spartan laser, it was pretty effective as a sniper weapon, for me at least. Love that weapon.
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Post by: DangerousDave on May 03, 2012, 12:11:07 PM
The government blocks HBO?  :o
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 03, 2012, 12:25:31 PM
Yupp, but they let us get on Facebook and Twitter, even though I deleted my Facebook a while ago. I'm just glad I can get onto FuD though.

#yourtaxdollarsatwork :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 03, 2012, 01:17:08 PM
That's really odd. Anyhow, not too much new info--Frank teases a new BTB map, Glass Harder is almost done, Bear's next book is takin shape.

Obviously since its Frankie it's more entertaining than that, but thatl
 Is the basis gist.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 03, 2012, 01:45:30 PM
Quote from: Frankie
The game is being designed with lots of different types of player in mind - explorers, cooperators, tricksters, and, of course, competitive players

My favorite part is this part.... Literally... This comment just double my level of excitement for the next game

*also, ive got a bunch of AP exams coming up so im probably gonna go silent for the next like week and a half or so  :( Unless there is a batch of HUGE news or something. **just to let everyone know :P
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 05, 2012, 05:32:54 PM
News:

GI did a Podcast with josh holmes (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/podcasts/archive/2012/05/03/special-edition-podcast-halo-4.aspx). Having him answer some questions, havent listened to it just yet, but i wantd to let everyone know
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 05, 2012, 05:33:54 PM
Looks like the biggest news isn't really fiction-related. Confirmation of no bots and dedicated servers on the multiplayer front.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 05, 2012, 07:31:36 PM
Looks like the biggest news isn't really fiction-related. Confirmation of no bots and dedicated servers on the multiplayer front.

And Forge is finally announced. It was obviously going to be in there, but I was still a bit afraid that it might not be. I know Frankie said a while back that people would not be disappointed about that sort of thing, but I had yet to hear anyone say the exact words. I doubt that there will be much at E3 though, I think that it'll be mostly multiplayer and Spartan Ops. You never know though.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 05, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
I doubt that there will be much at E3 though, I think that it'll be mostly multiplayer and Spartan Ops. You never know though.

 :o What is your expectation of "much"?

Oh yeah, and;
    On the subject of podcasts *cough* *cough* *hack* *cough* *cough*........ -_-
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 05, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
I doubt that there will be much at E3 though, I think that it'll be mostly multiplayer and Spartan Ops. You never know though.
What is your expectation of "much"?
On the subject of podcasts *cough* *cough* *hack* *cough* *cough*........ -_-

Yeah I used to listen to this one podcast... god you know I can't remember the name of it... oh well... 'Backwards Into Dusk' maybe.... hmmm...

Actually, there probably will be quite a lot of news at E3 won't there. I keep forgetting how close Halo 4 is now. And E3 is the biggest place to reveal as much as possible I suppose. I'd love it if they did full coverage on everything but Campaign. No gameplay, no trailer, nothing. I want to go into it blind, but already I know too much. I can't help but read every article I can find. On the other hand I want a massive Campaign trailer NAOW! Or at least a new Vidoc. I guess they'll have one at E3.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 08, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
So it appears we will have so more info coming our way in the July edition of XBM. It should be available around May 22.

(http://www.oxmonline.com/files/u9/oxm0712pcoverus-fullsize.jpg)

If you can't see it, in the top right hand corner, it says "OMG! Halo 4 New Maps, New Villains, New Hero?!"

Looks like we may be finally getting some campaign details! Me likely bouncy! Me likely.... *talking to myself* I'm a big boy now, I need to stop.

Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 08, 2012, 04:39:34 PM
Noooooooooo
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 08, 2012, 04:41:56 PM
New villains? So... is this how they're going to reveal them? :(

Also, Colonial Marines. I'm looking forward to that game.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 08, 2012, 05:12:19 PM
Better not! Suspense is the name of the fame for me...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 08, 2012, 08:45:11 PM
Yeah, i hope this isnt real... Please...

...hopefully it will like be the "reveal" of the new jackals or hunters or brutes or something...

Cause it is OXM is it not?...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 08, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
Yeah, i hope this isnt real... Please...

Cause it is OXM is it not?...

I believe Slightly or Post said not to trust XBM. Then we saw the rail gun on the cover and it was confirmed...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 08, 2012, 09:29:43 PM
I believe Slightly or Post said not to trust XBM. Then we saw the rail gun on the cover and it was confirmed...

Yeah but that was an image, you can't really be vague about that. Whereas this tiny caption isn't exactly as conclusive.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 08, 2012, 09:54:16 PM
Wait... Why does the railgun image make them untrustworthy?...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 08, 2012, 11:57:19 PM
The gaming press aren't that great in general, so taking everything they spew with a generous heaping of salt is probably a good thing (especially when official magazine are concerned. :P )

That said I've enjoyed OXM when I've read it back in the Original Xbox days.

...although now I'm thinking back to Jade Empire, and how disappointing that game was. I don't remember if I finished it.
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 09, 2012, 04:51:46 AM
where did jade empire come from?  :D
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 09, 2012, 10:46:39 AM
I just remembered there was a Jade Empire demo in one of the OXM discs... they had a lot of kind of random games that came and went... like the abysmally mediocre shooter Area 51...

(So no relevance to anything, I'm just taking a trip down memory lane :P )
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 09, 2012, 01:17:57 PM
Area 51 is still one of my favorite games. Everything about it was so perfect.

Blacksite, however...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 09, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
I just remembered there was a Jade Empire demo in one of the OXM discs... they had a lot of kind of random games that came and went... like the abysmally mediocre shooter Area 51...

I totally had that disc lol. I played that Area 51 demo over and over. Anyway did anyone see that Halo 4 art book that got announced a few days ago? I have to get it since I have every other one.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 09, 2012, 04:37:36 PM
Is the Art of Building Worlds on par with or better than The Art of Halo 3?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 09, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
Is the Art of Building Worlds on par with or better than The Art of Halo 3?

I'd say better to be honest, much better. I goes into all of the games though, so there's just much more variation in the styles and much more for your money. The halo 3 one is much shorter of course, but the quality of images is just as good in all of them. Both good books, but the Halo 3 one is a bit hard to find, at least here anyway. I got it when it was released though.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 09, 2012, 05:19:22 PM
Ok, when I've got spare coin ill see about picking it up. I really like the developer commentary that goes with them the most.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 10, 2012, 02:00:00 AM
Halo bulletin is up:

http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/05/09/The-Halo-Bulletin-5912.aspx

Highlights:
*"Grunts aren't reaaallly arthropods"
*"If we wanted to, we could explain the difference" (speciation/breeds) -- this would be more palpable to me if we'd ever heard of that before, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
*Other stuff that's not as interesting

They certainly have a point about the "keyhole" element of world-building, but that's why you need to layer in generalities to make later points more intelligible. The example I always use is Harry Potter, which often introduced mechanics books ahead of when they would actually prove relevant to the plot.
Title: More Stuff
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 11, 2012, 09:35:24 PM
interresting new interview/article (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/10/the-future-of-halo-wars-and-halo-39-s-expanded-universe.aspx) on halo's expanded universe stuff, including some stuff about how they are gonna handle non-fps halo games and stuff
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 11, 2012, 11:06:54 PM
Yeah that was interesting... he definitely has a point about over-saturating, I'm just hoping Microsoft doesn't try to move to a 2-year dev cycle for the Halo games.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 11, 2012, 11:37:30 PM
Dang... now I want to play Halo Wars again. I think it's the music. Every time I hear the Halo Wars music I just get this crazy nostalgic feeling, similar to hearing the music from CE or H2. It's great because it's certainly Halo, but it's got its own distinct style and feel to it.

I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 11, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
Well if you didn't have a horrible connection I'd play co-op with you, but as it is  :-\

I definitely have to give props to Stephen Rippy. He nailed O'Donnell's sound and added his own touches to make the music really work in an RTS setting. I'd bring him back if there ever was a Halo Wars 2.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 12, 2012, 08:06:19 PM
id play co-op with both of you if i had gold :P
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 14, 2012, 10:57:27 PM
Get on that paypal, Tar :P

In other news sweet mother of god.
http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1138843
(http://i.imgur.com/owJvo.jpg)

Best Halo box art of all time? I think so.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 14, 2012, 11:09:16 PM
....oh.......my.......goodness....................... that is the most epic thing I have ever seen

EDIT: after picking my jaw up, I noticed the destroyed covenant ship on the right....
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 14, 2012, 11:28:20 PM
A sharp-eyed GAFfer pointed out a canonical nitpick--the Dawn bears a new style UNSC insignia instead of the classic one...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 14, 2012, 11:33:10 PM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that picture  :D
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 14, 2012, 11:44:20 PM
I will find reasons to nitpick if I want :P

It really is striking how far and away different it is over any previous Halo key art, but that's a good thing, I think--the other ones were rather staid.
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Post by: Slightly Live on May 15, 2012, 01:45:19 AM
The gaming press aren't that great in general, so taking everything they spew with a generous heaping of salt is probably a good thing (especially when official magazine are concerned. :P )

This is why I don't trust them. Sometimes magazines will hype up old news in a way that makes you think the news is new, when it's not. Print magazines are getting desperate these days.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 15, 2012, 02:22:52 AM
A sharp-eyed GAFfer pointed out a canonical nitpick--the Dawn bears a new style UNSC insignia instead of the classic one...

I like the fact that they complain about the logo when it's actually an entirely different ship design. :P

But yeah, seriously... I'm wiping the drool off of my desk as we speak. And the tears.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 15, 2012, 02:35:13 AM
A sharp-eyed GAFfer pointed out a canonical nitpick--the Dawn bears a new style UNSC insignia instead of the classic one...

I like the fact that they complain about the logo when it's actually an entirely different ship design. :P

But yeah, seriously... I'm wiping the drool off of my desk as we speak. And the tears.

Is it really?

(http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/1/1e/Forward_into_dawn.jpg)

Aside from the fact that they've oriented the registry + emblem "the right way up" (which is to say the wrong way from the ship's perspective) that looks pretty close to the Dawn's profile viewed from underneath.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 15, 2012, 03:27:16 AM
Eh. Me and Loftus have had some long talks about this. At one point, both of us were considering writing a letter proposing some changes to keep it more consistent. It's not that much of a change... but the change is there.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on May 15, 2012, 06:35:33 AM
The armor looks awkward and dorky and scaly.

Other than that...

I... AM UNICRON
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 15, 2012, 10:29:40 AM
Well that reference is lost upon me (I assume Transformers?)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on May 15, 2012, 11:42:21 AM
Well that reference is lost upon me (I assume Transformers?)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092106/

The only good Transformers movie.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 15, 2012, 06:00:55 PM
UUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHH!!! IM IN SHOCKS!!! ITS AMAZING....

Also, according to the box art; The covenant also crash-land on Requiem too, so it looks like we will be fighting them for a while into the game (if not the whole thing) which kinda is a smack in the face of dani's clames that the new enemy is supposed to be our "bread and butter"...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 15, 2012, 06:19:44 PM
Not necessarily (that might be a crash few survive :P)

But like I said in the 'cast, I'm hoping they play a role in multi-faction battles :)

Also the scale of the cruiser is kind of odd compared to the Dawn, but I'm guessing that it's just artistic license.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 15, 2012, 07:45:43 PM
Yeah but if one of the ships makes it through busted up, the rest of the fleet will probably be close behind. And also, the concept art on primordium's cover showed covy style looking ships flying around above what I believe is requiem, I doubt they would get rid of the covy so easily.

Yeah, i hope they play a role in tri-battles too dave... Fingers crossed.

It could just be a perspective thing, like where the Cruiser is actually farther away... but its probably just artistic license.


EDIT: big news in 16 days... Which I believe would be June 2... 3 days before E3.. So i think Frankie may have just calculated wrong...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 17, 2012, 09:03:43 PM
I'd assume E3 to be safe :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 18, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
I noticed a few things:

- Chief's armour is damaged in the same place as his previous armour (his top right chest is scarred in the same place). If Cortana has used nano machines or whatever to update his armour while he was in cryo, then why is it still damaged in the same place, surely that would be fixed as part of the updating.

- There's a green glow inside the Covenant cruiser. Maybe this is a sign of their alliance to a certain faction or something. Or it could just be a visual effect. Probably the latter.

And I don't really care about any redesigning of the Dawn. It's cut in half already and will probably be a flaming wreck a mission into the campaign.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 18, 2012, 08:32:41 PM
Yeah, I noticed the armor thing a while back, from one of the first released images, I don't know what it means in terms of how he switches the armor,
     but what we do know is that because chief's armor is mark VI not mark VII so it doesn't have nano-machines, regardless.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 25, 2012, 12:08:00 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lPlIqa0Y2cI/T71UoxU9gTI/AAAAAAAABzg/ewMOrqrALYo/s1600/forerunner+room.png)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 25, 2012, 01:59:38 AM
Wraparound and that concept art really seem to be approaching Forerunner stuff as much glossier, with smooth surfaces uninterrupted laterally. It's not bad, in fact it's quite good looking on its own, but I'd appreciate some continuity with the existing styles too. Maybe this is for different elements than what we've seen.

Also, possible sorta rumor stuff.
http://halo.xbox.com/Forums/yaf_postst85359_Spartan-Ops-will-be--E3.aspx
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Post by: Capac Amaru on May 25, 2012, 04:58:57 AM
That looks more like Covenant than Forerunner architecture. But in Forerunner colors...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 25, 2012, 12:42:15 PM
Is it just me or does the foreground look like an optical allusion?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 25, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
In what sense?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 25, 2012, 08:12:50 PM
Sooooo then... courtesy of HaloGAF:

(http://i.imgur.com/mwgSp.jpg)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 25, 2012, 08:36:58 PM
The patterns look brilliant, if not the chosen colour schemes. However, I bloody hate these preorder bonuses where you get different things with different retailers, as it means I can't have all of the content just for choosing one shop. Since I'm in the UK the only one is play with the deadeye helmet. There's an arctic battle BR skin too I believe, which is stupid as an arctic camo is something that should be in the game already, aspecially for the most loved gun in the series.

I like how 343 only did one special edition so we wouldn't have to pick and choose. I agreed with that, but then they agree to this. It's ridiculous that I feel punished for choosing one retailer over another. I don't feel that I'm being rewarded with one piece of DLC, but rather that I can't have the other 3 or 4 for choosing this shop.

Anyone noticed the tank on the Hazop chest too? It seems like Jorge inspired the armour manufacturers.

I wanted to be Spiderman too. :(
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 25, 2012, 09:37:17 PM
i just vomitted aall over my pants. why do we need weapon camo? i like the armor skins, but arctic Br? should not be in the game



EDIT:
when do the spartans need camo at all? Like for real... wouldntactive camo serve all functionality 10 times btter? And when would they even use it? Cammo wil just make everyone look crappy when they dont end up matching their  environment...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 25, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
Yeah I don't see the point of camo considering Reach formalized that the UNSC had at least an analogue to the Covenant's tech in the works...

The armor colors are horrifying, I'm not sure why they picked those because it really doesn't show the patterns in a good light. I'm sure they'll look much better in person...

I'm sort of unclear about how the armory is going to work, now, because they have skins, they have armor, and they have helmets. Maybe you get to choose your pieces like previous games, then apply a skin over that for your pattern (it would explain why there are solid colored characters in some H4 screenshots and ones with stripes.)

I agree with you Six, it's kind of stupid to have all these incentives. I'm really hoping that they're unlockable in the game for everyone, albeit prolly with more effort (like Recon in Reach.)

Also, every helmet I've seen for the S-IVs looks really bad. :( Just give me a good Mk V or classic VI MJOLNIR approximation and I'm set.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 25, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
I agree with you Six, it's kind of stupid to have all these incentives. I'm really hoping that they're unlockable in the game for everyone, albeit prolly with more effort (like Recon in Reach.)

Me? Or Tar? Not sure exactly what you are referring to if it is me?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 26, 2012, 12:51:30 AM
kcamo is further outdated when you consider "how much stealth can a squad of super elite super overpowered super armored super sheillded super armed to the teeth-super soldiers really be doing?"
I like the fancy designes though like Web..
 I dont think the helmets look that bad.. i just think they dont look mjolnir.. You know? they dont really look at all similar to what weve seen before... i would almost say they look more "private sector" or something... idk...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on May 26, 2012, 07:33:12 AM
Spider-man Halo. Yippee. 
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 26, 2012, 01:21:06 PM
I agree with you Six, it's kind of stupid to have all these incentives. I'm really hoping that they're unlockable in the game for everyone, albeit prolly with more effort (like Recon in Reach.)

Me? Or Tar? Not sure exactly what you are referring to if it is me?

Yeah sorry, not sure how I got y'all mixed up in my head when I was typing my reply :)

Spider-man Halo. Yippee. 
Better than Super-Man Halo. 'Nuff said, true believer.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 26, 2012, 02:09:04 PM
This is all a bad joke, right?

If this were regular Halo multiplayer, I'd have no problem. But exactly because they've made such a big deal out of it being canonical now, this bothers me. A lot.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 26, 2012, 02:29:58 PM
This is all a bad joke, right?

(http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/halolz-dot-com-nope.avi.gif)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on May 26, 2012, 04:36:01 PM
Next they will announce a microtransaction weapon store.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 26, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
Next they will announce a microtransaction weapon store.

Yeah let's collect hats!
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 26, 2012, 10:51:24 PM
Next they will announce a microtransaction weapon store.

Yeah let's collect hats!

I think we can seek some solace in the fact that hats will likely never be in Halo :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 27, 2012, 05:51:12 AM
Just found some in game shots on reddit. Look legit to me, albeit poor quality.

(http://i.imgur.com/pE0nZ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WYbvj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/mwQYe.jpg)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 27, 2012, 09:19:33 AM
That map looks beautiful. It looks like it will be one of the larger scale maps. It looks like it has Human construction on it so either they have settled a little on Requiem or this is set somewhere else. They've stated that there would be other locations so that's pretty cool.

As for the heads up stuff, it kind of looks like an objective gametype, maybe something like invasion. The second pic shows two similar objectives in a row and then a different shaped one, kind of like a core. Unfortunately whatever it is, it's blocked by rocks in every pic.

The second pic looks like the guy is using some sort of Forerunner interface to 'reclaim' something, presumable some sort of Forerunner artifact. It looks like he's typing on it.

That's probably everything I can get from that. I'm just glad that snowy maps are back!
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 27, 2012, 12:23:50 PM
Wow. VHS. In 2012.

Turn off your speakers before you watch this leak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPhhb1gidPg
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 27, 2012, 03:55:47 PM
It looks legit but....WHY WAS IT FILMED LIKE THAT?
WHY was it on VHS?
WHY was it then filmed by a monkey with a camcorder?
WHY is there terrible music in the background?
WHY was it filmed in an abandoned warehouse?
And again, WHY was it on VHS? WTF? Betamax has better quality. ;)

We got to see the Railgun at least... well I think I did... I'm not sure what the hell I just watched.
Was this some sort of joke? Agh... head hurts... gah... I'm so confused... I'm gonna go sit in the corner... I don't even know...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 29, 2012, 12:27:33 AM
Leaks seem to be leaking out steadily at this point. I'm still looking for a source with these individual screenshots, but this video is all I am able to find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txU6AJx8k8s&feature=g-all-u (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txU6AJx8k8s&feature=g-all-u)

at 1:23, you can see what appears to be a loadout screen with the following armor abilities:

Promethean vision
Regeneration field
Hologram
Hardlight shield
Active camouflage

Maybe the hardlight shield is that thing that Sarge from RvB had on his back in the "Remember not to forget" announcement for the release date of H4.

There is also a shot of the rail gun, the assault rifle, something that looks similar to the target locator in Reach and a new weapon that looks either Covenant or Forerunner in origin.


Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 29, 2012, 12:52:45 AM
Seems to me that the hard light shield is what our Spartan is using in picture #3.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Capac Amaru on May 29, 2012, 08:11:24 AM
Seems to me that the hard light shield is what our Spartan is using in picture #3.

Thats what I thought.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 29, 2012, 11:48:27 AM
The hard light shield is interesting to me because we've never seen hard light be penetrable.... so would the AA be of limited duration or could it actually collapse?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 29, 2012, 12:09:35 PM
The hard light shield is interesting to me because we've never seen hard light be penetrable.... so would the AA be of limited duration or could it actually collapse?

I have a feeling that it will be like the drop shield. It will have a limited duration but can also be damaged and removed in that way. If it's invincible, then there will be no end to the exploits that could be possible. It's really cool though.

I can already hear the inevitable 300 references that everyone will spout.

"Our Plasma Grenades shall block out the sun!"
"Then we will fight in the shade!" *raises shield*
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 29, 2012, 01:00:48 PM
Except plasma grenades would produce light, and the shields are transparent... :P

Frankly all the the changes we've seen visually and gameplay wise are deeply worrying to me, especially as the few times I've picked up CoD I've been almost instantly repulsed, but I guess the ultimate test will just have to be when I have it in my hands...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 29, 2012, 02:58:55 PM
Here are the last threads of hope I'm hanging on to:

In COD when you look at the different weapons in a category; they are all basically the same, only each with better stats than the last. That isn't how halo is at all. Every weapon in the sandbox is unique and special in some manner.

       And with the addition of loadouts; they will now be able to determine much much more easily if a weapon is popular or good or not.
      Because they can look at the percentage of people starting with each weapon.  And since no weapon is supposed to just be "better" than all the rest, no other tests are really actually needed;
     If a very low amount of people use it; then it needs to be buffed a bit.
    Or if everyone on the planet uses one gun (that isn't the BR) then that gun needs to be nerffed slightly.
  This system could lead to one of the most balanced Games every; let alone just in Halo. Because its so simple.

Edit: Where is this picture of a hardlight sheild in action? I dont see it....
Edit: oh yeah i see it... I thought it was a console of some sort... But yeah i guess it could be a hard light sheild
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 29, 2012, 03:06:41 PM
Look, even if it is terrible, and most of the community hate it in the first week, then 343 will change it. How far then are able to change it is another matter, but they are always listening. They've got 2 more games to sell in this trilogy alone, so I don't think they will ignore their customers.

People seemed pretty impressed from the closed beta to be fair, so I'm not too concerned. It looks very much like Reach to me, but I actually liked Reach in terms of the core gameplay. There was just certain features that tarnished the experience in multiplayer.

As always, I'll judge it when I play it.

Oh and the shield is in the second pic Tar. We don't know for certain of course, but it's pretty clear that it is.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 29, 2012, 03:15:10 PM
Thanks, thats what i figured :P

Guns, to what are you reffering when you say that people seem impressed? Like have you seen some write ups or something?

Also I dont see any links to last weeks bulletin (http://halo.bungie.org/halobulletins/51)... Its kinda good...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 29, 2012, 04:05:22 PM
Not really sure how the railgun will pan out... I miss the Laser already, but I'd rather have one weapon in the role and this one looks to provide a little more challenge and not feel as annoying to those on the other end ("insta-death!")
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 29, 2012, 04:11:07 PM
Did they say that the Spartan Laser is gone? I took it as just another gun not a replacement...
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Post by: DangerousDave on May 29, 2012, 04:13:45 PM
No, but I'd imagine given how they've talked about the railgun it's meant as a quasi-replacement.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 29, 2012, 04:16:47 PM
      I hope that they do change the function of it alot though... I liked the idea that I came up with (and then Greenskull majically repeated on podtac) cause it would be a unique weapon. Not just a modification on an existing weapon

  And I hope they keep the Grenade launcher in (i know they probably wont... Buuuuuttt, a boy can wish...)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 29, 2012, 05:28:19 PM
Guns, to what are you reffering when you say that people seem impressed? Like have you seen some write ups or something?

I've seen several different summaries by different people who went there. Even Louis Wu seemed happy with it so it must be at least alright.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 29, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
Yeah i suppose... But what they played was probably just a stripped down version of the game... Like they wouldnt have experienced most of the features that are making us nervous... All that says is that the core gameplay is probably good... So take that for what it is...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 04:42:27 PM
Old news, but it wasnt posted here yet:
       Wal-mart armor, courtesy of Gaf:
(http://i.imgur.com/yeOqB.jpg)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 04:45:29 PM
I mainly just posted that so i could post my thoughts on slightly's comment:
Quote from: Slightly Live (GAF)
Why is there underwater armour? I mean, canonically, these suits are stupid expensive to make and would be designed for a specific purpose. Under water?
       (this will also doubles as a pre-emptive response to all of Dave's complaining all the time about how many Armor perms there are in H4)

     The nano-machines are actually the reason for that;
          because, they don't need to make new pieces of armor every time they want a change any more, because there isn't actually multiple pieces of armor; Its all the same set, just with the nano-Bots rearranging the armor to tailor its functionality and optimize its performance for whatever role/environment the Spartan's next mission entails. Thus more variants would actually be better canonically, because they would change for each mission.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 30, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
"Would you kindly go get stepped on by a big daddy?"

While I don't like things such as nanomachines in terms of writing, I do like the idea that they would only need one suit of armour that changed to suit the needs of each mission. It makes sense. It would presumably allow them to repair their armour in the field too right?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 05:05:00 PM
Nope, they aren't that overpowered, Guns. the nano machines only work when they are in cryo, or when the armor is in "standby".

Which i think is nice; the nano machines cant work when the armor is being used in any manor, it makes them a little more believable
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 30, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
Interesting conjecture, but I guess I'd just have a hard time believing you could convert one suit to another entirely via nanomachines. Hopefully "Thursday War" will spend some time building plausibility on that score? :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 05:20:35 PM
well, actually if you look at all the armor; (http://www.littleenglishhaloblog.com/2012/05/various-retailers-announce-exclusive.html) they arent that different from each other... Like alot of the difference is aesthetic... Or Cosmetic-function stuff (like certain angles or curves that deflect/redistribute forces or stuff in some way) which is what they have described the nano bots as being capable of.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 30, 2012, 07:14:51 PM
Nope, they aren't that overpowered, Guns. the nano machines only work when they are in cryo, or when the armor is in "standby".

Have they been mentioned in the novels or anything before? I can't remember them at all.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 07:19:58 PM
Yeah... the only time they have really been mentioned was in Glasslands...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 30, 2012, 07:27:06 PM
Yeah... the only time they have really been mentioned was in Glasslands...

Do you recall what was generally said about them or where in the book it was? I always thought the nanobot thing was RAMPANT speculation from you guys in the forums... I really need to re-read these novels.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
I dont have an exact quote. But yeah, it aint rampant speculation... Didnt you see like the whole community flip out when glasslands came out? cause everyone is dumb
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 30, 2012, 07:47:12 PM
Well I don't remember the everyone flipping out thing, I just remembered nanobots being discussed....I'll have to go on a quest to find this flipping out!
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 07:50:08 PM
Everyone was like "AWW YOU SUCK 343!!! YOU JUST PUT THAT IN THERE AS AN EXCUSE FOR MASTER CHIEF'S NEW ARMOR"

...which was totally stupid cause the book just said that Mark VII has nanobots... And chief dont have Mark VII... So that isnt the reason.

*And by community; i meant the community at large; not really us as much
 
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 30, 2012, 08:09:30 PM
*And by community; i meant the community at large; not really us as much

Ah, clarification is key. Yes I do recall that the announcement trailer and how "fans" were acting butt-hurt about the new look of the armor, and I thought that Dave had made a joke saying that 343i was going to say that it was nanobots, and speculation within our community took off...

I would still like to see what was said. I'll have to look into it cause I'm not a fan of it. But i'm not trying to re-ignite old flames. I for one like his new armor when it was first announced.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 08:17:12 PM
      I liked the armor when it was announced too. The main reason I had a beef was "how did it get changed, sort of?" And we still don't know that, because, his chest plate has the same battle damage on the right side near the top...
  But yeah, nano-machines are canon for the Mark VII's
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 30, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
Well here I go opening up an old wound again...

If it is cannon that the nanobots only exist in the Mark VII permutation then I would be fine with it, because they were never mentioned in the past. However, I do also have a problem with it, because it begs the question, where did the nanobots, or the Mark VII armor come from? It was magically inside the FuD the whole time? As in it was developed Pre-Halo 3?

The more I think about it, canonically it doesn't make sense. But again, I do like the armor.

I'm sure you guys have already said and discussed everything I said, but just wanted to voice my opinion.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 03:35:22 PM
Six....

Everyone was like "AWW YOU SUCK 343!!! YOU JUST PUT THAT IN THERE AS AN EXCUSE FOR MASTER CHIEF'S NEW ARMOR"

...which was totally stupid cause the book just said that Mark VII has nanobots... And chief dont have Mark VII... So that isnt the reason.

*And by community; i mean [YOU]
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 31, 2012, 04:13:18 PM
I am so confused, I am just going to retract my opinion and stick with "I like his new armor and don't care why it has changed" at least until an official explanation is made.

Honestly, if 343i just said "we have a better engine with better graphics, and we're going to make his armor look better and to match the tone of the Reclaimer trilogy" I would have been happy, although I know no one else would.  :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 04:23:02 PM
What are you confused by?
 Its a pretty simple concept:

     1) Nanobots were introduced (in Glasslands) as a part of the new Mark VII armor.

     2) On a completely unrelated note: Master Chief has Mark VI armor.


Can you spot the important difference there?
I even "whited" and bolded the parts that are important for you, six ;D
 
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 31, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
I got that part, its the conversation you all were having about nanobots before, as if they were in Chiefs armor, but it's really not important. I was confused as to what exactly you all were discussing
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 04:35:04 PM
Ok good, Haha, your reputation is restored :P

I was talking about how they are in the Mark VII's armor, and i was refering to how the spartan IV's will change armor between S-ops missions
Title: More Leaks
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 04:37:22 PM
 
also: TONS of new leaked pictures (http://www.littleenglishhaloblog.com/2012/05/18-new-images-leak-from-halo-4-closed.html)
 
Ghost confirmed
Mongoose confirmed
Shade turret confirmed
Spartan Laser Confirmed (boo YAH, told ya)

Kill Cams comfirmed (UUUUUUUGHH)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 31, 2012, 04:44:49 PM
Spartan Laser Confirmed (boo YAH, told ya)

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX_ySeTOzHyNw-lFjOEvkA1NCZ-JEX0j3Vv6K4nx4X8-1AXHIuXjWpdhajVw)

As far as the killcam, as long as it is an option, or can be skipped, I'm fine with it. It would really only be useful against a sniper.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 04:49:35 PM
Oh gosh, the armor ability in most of those pics looks like a fighter jet... DREAD.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 31, 2012, 04:57:25 PM
Oh gosh, the armor ability in most of these pics looks like a fighter jet... DREAD.

?
Title: Re: More Leaks
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 05:43:42 PM
Those pictures (from the link i posted.)

Lets think about other games that have perks (sorry "armor abilities") and think of what the jet plane represents...

I hope to the dear Lord that there isnt an airstike or helecopter armor ability.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 31, 2012, 06:21:43 PM
I don't see what you are referring to in those pics.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 06:25:18 PM
pictures #8 and #10 :  bottom left corner.
I personally think it looks like a jet, but its a long shot. Im just a little worried.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 31, 2012, 06:33:23 PM
Ah, now I see it. I'm pretty sure that has been (unofficially) announced as the sprint meter. See the bar next to it? We've been told that Sprint will not be infinite, and we will have to monitor it closely. I think there may be a gameplay vid showing this, but I'll have to find it.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
 Yeah, i mean  that works for the sprint bar... But im talking about the armor ability to the left of it; which still has the ring around it that is a meter for the armor abilities duration (we saw it's use in that leaky barn video)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on May 31, 2012, 06:41:24 PM
Oh right, I always thought that symbol was symbolic of sprint, but now I see your point. I kind of see a jet fighter, but I highly doubt that's what it is.

I didn't really pay that much attention to that leaked vid, it was way to blurry, but is it safe to assume that IS the armor ability HUD representation? Again, I didn't pay close attention to the vid so maybe it is, especially since that is where it was for Reach.

If it's not the armor ability, maybe it has something to do with the new ordnance drop feature?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 06:47:12 PM
Yeah, I think you might have a point; it could be something to do with the ordinance drop thing, but its definitely not sprint, cause why would they put an icon telling us that we have sprint; when we always do.
But i think it is safe to assume that that is the armor ability; considering that it is in the same place and has the same style and design as the armor abilities from reach
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on May 31, 2012, 06:53:01 PM
Glasslands, pg. 213
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 06:54:41 PM
post a quote Isaac, i dont got my copy with me here :/
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on May 31, 2012, 07:16:42 PM
All that's on pg. 213 is the mention that Naomi's suit maintains and upgrades itself in cryo, Devereaux's speculation it costs more than a Longsword, and Osman's Spartan-II and III stat dropping.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 07:29:39 PM
Hmmm... I think I see what Isaac is getting at... I never noticed that... Hmmmm...
Title: News
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 31, 2012, 07:58:54 PM
Bulletin (http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/05/30/The-Halo-Bulletin-53012.aspx)

Is Good. Is all about the different pre-order thingys. Is real useful if you havent preordered yet. If you have and you arent gonna read the bulletin: you dont actually get the armor that you may have preorder for. You just get the skin.

I think im going with Best buy; although i like both the armor and the skin of walmart better; but I dont see an In-store pickup option for walmart and I also dont see them offering the preorder bonus for the limited addtion either... So im staying away from that...
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on June 01, 2012, 01:46:37 AM
Surprise Surprise! More leaked multiplayer footage! But guess what? This one is a little better quality than the last one AND this one has the grenade pistol thing from the announcement trailer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvl_aHnoYQ&feature=g-all-u (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRvl_aHnoYQ&feature=g-all-u)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on June 01, 2012, 02:18:26 AM
So it's a more advanced version of the grenade launcher?
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on June 01, 2012, 02:27:40 AM
Thats what I took away from it...maybe a little more precise....
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: DangerousDave on June 01, 2012, 02:44:43 AM
Well I never figured out how to use the "pro-pipe", so I'll prolly ignore this one too and get annoyed when people destroy me with it :)
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Postmortem on June 01, 2012, 04:01:12 AM
I'm just gonna say .. watching those Spartans sprint was awe inspiring. The new speed really seems to better match what should be expected from a Spartan.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Sixftunder on June 01, 2012, 11:27:51 AM
Well I never figured out how to use the "pro-pipe", so I'll prolly ignore this one too and get annoyed when people destroy me with it :)

That is because you rack a disciprine  :P I really got used to it in Firefight, and I always went for it when playing slayer on powerhouse. I was pretty effective with it at close range, just had to bounce it off the ground in front of me and let go of the trigger at the right time.

Also, after watching that clip again, the assault rifle looks a little more powerful than in the past; I fell as if in Reach, you had to place just about all 32 rounds into someone with full shields and health to kill them but it didn't look that way in this clip.
Title: Re: Halo 4 info coming!
Post by: Tar Alacrin on June 01, 2012, 03:36:41 PM
I loved the grenade launcher; but I was terrible at using it :P but to be honest, thats part of the reason I liked the gun; because it was so awkward to use and it exploded stuff. So I hope they didnt make it too easy to use or nerf it or anything