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Title: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on May 07, 2012, 07:09:15 PM
So we all have heard about the new live action series coming out just before the release of Halo 4, but has anyone else seen (and digested) this photo?

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyRbVTfrnGhBItaryRdF5XXq-MyrvOgusMbOqZhGxRAUWy_QHyX6Uv-Z6g)

I originally thought it was a warthog, but then I started thinking a little more...

We already know what a warthog looks like, and there was even one in the Halo 3 live action clip. So why hide it now? Just because it has an updated look since the last time we saw it? I doubt that.

Also, there doesn't seem to be that lip that hugs over the tires when you look at the tire revealed in the front.

I think it is going to be a new vehicle, that is a hybrid of human/covenant/forerunner technology. To me, it almost looks like a wraith cannon (when closed) sitting on top of a warthog frame.

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 07, 2012, 07:26:53 PM
That's the same wheel cover thingies that are on the Warthog, so I think that you're looking too much into it. I imagine that they have either updated the Weta hog from Landfall to look like the Halo 4 one, or this is just a newly designed Halo 4 hog.

Though I suppose it depends on when this scene takes place. I have a feeling that it may just be the Landfall hog if this in the cadet's earlier life. I'm just speculating here obviously but I presume that this is when the main character will be at the UNSC academy. If this is set closer to Halo 4 timeline, then it may be the new hog. It seems likely that they'd want to advertise the new design as much as possible.

Remember that Warthog's are ridiculously big too. I remember the first cutscene of Halo:CE where Johnson is like a child next to it.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on May 07, 2012, 09:00:21 PM
It's hard to get a sense of scale, but to me it seems too small to be a Warthog.

Did they keep the Weta 'hog? We haven't heard a marshmallow peep about it in years.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 07, 2012, 09:04:40 PM
It's hard to get a sense of scale, but to me it seems too small to be a Warthog.

Did they keep the Weta 'hog? We haven't heard a marshmallow peep about it in years.

BS Angel was sitting on the turret in on of the weekly updates a few months back. And it was at Halo fest right? There was one on display there anyway.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 08, 2012, 01:17:00 AM
It could just be a smaller variant of a hog that we havent seen before... Like a Marine-Only hog, never reinforced or intended to be used with spartans... Or some kind of supply hog, used around the base... Heck; it could be one of those civillian cars from Halo 2 for all we know :)

My thoughts about the FUD live series is that (first off, we will see a traffic jump on the main site, come time of launch...)
  But mainly, that they will use it to Bridge the gap between halo 3 and 4... Like, technologically, show the transition of tech, and maybe use it to explain some things like "why have some weapons that havent been seen since reach, suddenly making an appearence again in H4"
   Or another idea is that, at some point during the series; they will use it to explain cheif's armor transition from H3 to H4...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on May 08, 2012, 01:32:00 AM
Well they don't have to explain away the DMR, because we can just assume it was an Army weapon. The Navy has always been the bigger branch in the fiction, and had a near-monopoly on the game's presentation, so that bothers me little (compared to everything else. :P)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 08, 2012, 01:38:51 AM
Well they don't have to explain away the DMR, because we can just assume it was an Army weapon. The Navy has always been the bigger branch in the fiction, and had a near-monopoly on the game's presentation, so that bothers me little (compared to everything else. :P)

Huh... Thats a really good explaination... I never thought of that...

Im also suprised that THIS is what you choose not to gripe about :D
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on May 08, 2012, 01:40:09 AM
*Wise man voice*

Even the grouchiest of the whiners must know when to refrain from further whining...

You'll hear plenty of it soon, I'll wager :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 08, 2012, 01:49:12 AM
You'll hear plenty of it soon, I'll wager :P

Whew! EVERYBODY! You may now let out your breath and breathe freely again without worry. Dave will resume his whineing in the future :D

*also, isnt this more of a lobby type topic?..just sayin..
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on May 08, 2012, 04:42:05 AM
Did they keep the Weta 'hog? We haven't heard a marshmallow peep about it in years.

Yeah you're right. (http://halo.bungie.org/halobulletins/12)

Not in years. (http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_halofest2011/images/16_Stephen_Warthog.jpg)

Where are they keeping that thing? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jydDjf0Bmc0)

And why won't they let anyone know where to find it? (http://thelifeofahalofan.bungie.org/highlights/day-2/day-1-pg-2/)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on May 08, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
Phooey.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 08, 2012, 02:35:04 PM
My thoughts about the FUD live series is that (first off, we will see a traffic jump on the main site, come time of launch...)

A lot of confused and angry people no doubt. :D
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on May 08, 2012, 02:38:49 PM
At least Microsoft didn't shut us down :)

I thought the Warthog at HaloFest was one made for Halo 4/nonfunctional, not the WETA one.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on May 08, 2012, 04:37:30 PM
At least Microsoft didn't shut us down :)

I thought the Warthog at HaloFest was one made for Halo 4/nonfunctional, not the WETA one.

Nope, it was Weta. Saw the logo on the side.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on May 09, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
http://www.the-peak.ca/2012/05/halo-webseries-filmed-on-burnaby-campus/

Here is some more smexy pics showing the warthog, some space cadets maybe and most importantly, Master Chief! With fire!
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on May 09, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
Looking good so far! However, to be nit picky, the shoulder armor looks very different; almost like a variant never seen before. But overall, that costumer looks great!
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on May 09, 2012, 09:07:11 PM
Eh, it's not that big of a difference in terms of design. I think it looks different because the top of the pauldron seems a little beefed up compared to the game version.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mark_VI_Study.jpg
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 10, 2012, 01:50:43 AM
idk why when people look at the cheif, they always focus on the shoulders.... like... i look at the helmet. and everything else is in my peripheral... But Everybody is always noticing something with the shoulders...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on May 10, 2012, 01:53:58 AM
Hey, I focus on everything, it's just the shoulders are the only thing we can see in that shot :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on May 10, 2012, 03:52:38 AM
http://www.the-peak.ca/2012/05/halo-webseries-filmed-on-burnaby-campus/

Here is some more smexy pics showing the warthog, some space cadets maybe and most importantly, Master Chief! With fire!

Yesss...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on May 30, 2012, 07:47:42 PM
oh, and Dave; you were noticing the armor being a weird mash-up or something
  well I don't know if you saw but, courtesy of Frankie:

   This is old stuff (like a month old), I just discovered it though:

Quote from: someone on HBO
: Now that I've looked at it more, it doesn't look like MC's Halo 4 armour. As
: you say, those shoulder pads look older.
In response:
Quote from: Frankie
Costume is from about 25 years before current events. Story ties both periods together.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on May 30, 2012, 09:04:20 PM
Nice find, didn't see that before. Makes more sense-ish, I guess.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on May 31, 2012, 06:48:38 PM
It looks so much like his suit from The Package. They're probably making that official now. Helps to sell more of those McFarlane toys.

I mean it looks cool and all, and they probably will be able to work it into the fiction just fine... but why? It would've been much cooler to show and use the original Mk. V.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on June 03, 2012, 01:47:32 AM
Why would they use the MK IV from the package?  It's a blatant and complete rip off of MK VI. 
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on June 03, 2012, 01:49:27 AM
(Hello!) :)

I dunno, really. We really haven't seen enough to be sure what it looks like, but I think it probably comes down to familiarity--personally, I love the aesthetic of the Mk V much more, but it was the Halo 2-3 Mk VI Chief that took the world by storm.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on June 03, 2012, 02:48:09 AM
i think people would be familiar with him as long as hes green
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on June 03, 2012, 12:56:53 PM
Well, maybe. I dunno. Once we see the entire thing, then my nitpick drive will go to warp ten. :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on June 14, 2012, 09:25:54 PM
According to the waypoint twitter feed, a 60 second clip of the series will be shown during the nba playoffs tonight. So if anyone will be watching, will you let me know when it airs so I can look it up on youtube :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on June 14, 2012, 09:49:33 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo! am excited, when will it air/does anyone know when the game starts
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on June 14, 2012, 10:31:18 PM
I guarantee you since it will be played during commercial break that you would have to wait until the 4th quarter (nba goes by quarters, right? to watch it, and I would fall asleep watching that much basketball and miss it.

Game starts at 9pm eastern time according to the nba website, so I would say closer to 11:00pm est time is when it will air
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on June 15, 2012, 12:55:04 AM
it is also very likely that they would show it at halftime i would think. but yeah, aint no way im actually going to Watch the game, im jus talking about youtube upload timeage
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on June 15, 2012, 02:14:07 AM
Prolly tomorrow, but I'll keep an eye on HaloGAF--they've always been faster.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Bryan on June 15, 2012, 07:51:45 PM
At first looking at it, I remembered it was identical to the one played during France v. England at Matchday 1 in Group D four days ago at Euro 2012.

Then I saw this HBO thread:
http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1143538

Huh.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on June 15, 2012, 08:21:40 PM
The line "862..293.342.3487.2" looks a bit like the CEA Terminal dating system...

I also notice some familiarities to ILB, which looks like an HBO member also saw: http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1143605
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on June 15, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
i forgot about this completely. Dang
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 02, 2012, 11:02:30 PM
Not much to talk about, but teaser in case you didn't see it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8me1cD01Lw&feature=share

Nice callout to Contact Harvest, at least. This just confuses me more and more about what timeframe that armor is supposed to be--doesn't look like Halo 4 armor, but what's he doing on what appears to be the wrecked Dawn?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: paranoiartist on July 03, 2012, 01:52:15 AM
Maybe he was trying to escape or it could be possible that this in Cortana's head.. It IS a teaser trailer..
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 03, 2012, 03:24:12 AM
Maybe he was trying to escape or it could be possible that this in Cortana's head.. It IS a teaser trailer..

Hello!

And yeah, you're entirely right that teasers usually don't have much bearing on the final product... but that doesn't mean fans won't pick it apart anyway :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 04, 2012, 02:51:50 PM
And yeah, you're entirely right that teasers usually don't have much bearing on the final product... but that doesn't mean fans won't pick it apart anyway :)

Pretty much none of the Halo trailers have been even slightly canonical and yet people always go nuts over every detail. I won't stoop to that level... so uh, how about that armour?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 04, 2012, 03:02:22 PM
And yeah, you're entirely right that teasers usually don't have much bearing on the final product... but that doesn't mean fans won't pick it apart anyway :)

Pretty much none of the Halo trailers have been even slightly canonical and yet people always go nuts over every detail. I won't stoop to that level... so uh, how about that armour?

Well, but to be fair, the trailers have always been indicative of *something*--whether the basic scenario of the game, or small gameplay changes (AAs, the bubble shield from "Starry Night".)

But I don't know if that has any bearing on a film adaptation.

Hell, I'm pretty sure most of the "Star Trek" feature film trailers were just recycled shots from other movies :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: paranoiartist on July 04, 2012, 03:57:40 PM
Picking it apart is the best part! I just meant that they way they made the teaser made it really a teaser.

Yes, most of the previous trailers are none canon but try to give glimpses of character development. Halo 3 one gave a background I the Spartans childhood or lack thereof and Reach gave us the sacrifice of Noble Six and the development/training/augmentation of Spartan IIIs. So pretty cool. Non-canon but gives us a little more oomph especially to Halo Game fans and probably bring them in to the rest of the universe.

So about that armor... I THINK its the Mark VI. The mini-series could probably have a small story arc for the change of armor. I don't know. Speculation, speculation. One of the reasons I love Halo. :)

*By the way, so far I'm really liking this community.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 04, 2012, 04:27:22 PM
Well, but to be fair, the trailers have always been indicative of *something*--whether the basic scenario of the game, or small gameplay changes (AAs, the bubble shield from "Starry Night".)

Yeah well their just marketing strategies at the end of the day. But at least Forward Unit Dawn will hopefully be a worthy piece of the universe and make people buy the game. Everyone wins.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on July 05, 2012, 08:46:23 PM
I'm guessing that the armor is going to be based on the Mk. IV variant seen in The Package from Halo Legends. It would make sense, as it would solidify that variant as more canonical and would theoretically increase the desire for people to buy any products that would be modeled off of it.

*ahem*
(http://spawn.com/toys/games/anniversary2/masterchief/images/anniversary2_masterchief_packaging_01_dp.jpg)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 07, 2012, 07:57:58 PM
Post is right, and thats sort of what frankie hinted at when he was talking about the FUD armor.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Bryan on July 11, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
Well here it is, in case you missed it on HBO or RUL or whereever you get your news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_4skHcCpT4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 11, 2012, 06:52:14 PM
Well Isaac called it, he's in Package Mk IV, at least in 2537. Which makes me wonder how they justify that, canonwise.

(and I still wanna see Mk V Chief )
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on July 11, 2012, 07:02:50 PM
That just got me so freaking excited it's amazing.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 11, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
I like how they talk about live action Halo as if its never been done before.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 11, 2012, 09:19:28 PM
I like how they talk about live action Halo as if its never been done before.

Landfall was a big sack of 'meh', for me--an interesting proof of concept on what a big-screen Halo could look like, but also an affirmation of why I'm happy the Jackson-Blomkamp direction fell through. "FUD" isn't approaching it like an adaptation and for that reason alone I think it'll be a more successful translation of the universe.

I've got to give them props for actually casting people who look like they're youngsters, as opposed to getting 25 year olds to play high schoolers. That said, doing YA drama without coming across as excessively melodramatic is often a fine line.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 12, 2012, 01:28:53 AM
I HATE OFFICIAL AND FAN MAID HALO LLIVE ACTIONS

geez dave, spell much? ;D you really should lay off the caps

btw, post, that is the closest thing to MC's face we'll prolly ever get
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on July 12, 2012, 02:24:00 AM
I HATE OFFICIAL AND FAN MAID HALO LLIVE ACTIONS

geez dave, spell much? ;D you really should lay off the caps

btw, post, that is the closest thing to MC's face we'll prolly ever get

Grammar Nazi! Quick, Gun or Capac, make a ME3 reference to make sure the cycle continues!

<insert Dave's professionally made FUD cycle diagram>

I like how they talk about live action Halo as if its never been done before.

Landfall was a big sack of 'meh', for me--an interesting proof of concept on what a big-screen Halo could look like, but also an affirmation of why I'm happy the Jackson-Blomkamp direction fell through.

It could have been worse. Like if it was anime or something  ;)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 12, 2012, 02:55:56 AM
I HATE OFFICIAL AND FAN MAID HALO LLIVE ACTIONS

geez dave, spell much? ;D you really should lay off the caps

btw, post, that is the closest thing to MC's face we'll prolly ever get

Grammar Nazi! Quick, Gun or Capac, make a ME3 reference to make sure the cycle continues!

<insert Dave's professionally made FUD cycle diagram>

You're really tempting me to go all out on that diagram now...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 12, 2012, 02:57:17 AM
Do it! and make sure to add "Dave complains about reach aesthetics--Tar brings up how CEA is more canon than CE" in to the mix
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 12, 2012, 03:00:11 AM
Haha, if I have time after this next project I will wow you all :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 12, 2012, 02:17:02 PM
"You have merely delayed the inevitable."
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 12, 2012, 08:16:28 PM

Grammar Nazi! Quick, Gun or Capac, make a ME3 reference to make sure the cycle continues!

<insert Dave's professionally made FUD cycle diagram>


*Browsing Steam summer sale*
"My FUD senses are tingling. I'm needed elsewhere..."

How about that ending eh? Eh!? Amirite?

"Phew... crisis averted. Well my work here is done."
*leaves actual on-topic discussion to someone else*

Well I think FUD looks bloody amazing overall. That's all I say until we have our full trailer
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 13, 2012, 01:55:25 AM
Speaking of FUD senses...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3Y8Ws3plI&feature=g-u-u

They tingle.

I think the training uniforms look janky,* as does the Chief, but they certainly are putting the characters front-and-center instead of "things explode and there's the angry boat noise." I'm hopeful.

*But I guess that's par for the course. The trainees in the Star Trek universe have been alternatively horribly dressed.

EDIT: BTS on the Chief: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E_XmEoB3b8&feature=g-all-u
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on July 13, 2012, 02:05:55 AM
I think the training uniforms look janky, as does the Chief,

you can never be satisfied, can you?  :P

I do have two gripes with it myself though:

1. Chief didn't sound like Steve Downes. Am I wrong? You would think that since we never see his face, hence we never see his lips move, I  don't see why they couldn't have added his voice overs post production.

Edit: I keep forgetting that part of this takes place in the past, so I guess the inevitable "he's younger" argument is gonna come up, and I suppose thats good enough.

2. CHIEF! Didn't see to much movement from him, but I hope they do it right; he can run higher, jump faster, all of that good stuff. I hope we get to see that. Not anything crazy like "the package" from Legends, but something to show that he's just more than your average marine in space armor.

Otherwise, I'm really excited.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 13, 2012, 02:47:31 AM
I think the training uniforms look janky, as does the Chief,

you can never be satisfied, can you?  :P

1. Chief didn't sound like Steve Downes. Am I wrong? You would think that since we never see his face, hence we never see his lips move, I  don't see why they couldn't have added his voice overs post production.


I can be satisfied easily, provided the satisfaction is a glass of good root beer and a grilled cheese sandwich :)

The Chief is another actor (I'm not sure if Cudmore, the guy who's in the suit, is also doing audio) but Downes' Chief is definitely going to have lines. I'm guessing Cudmore is playing the younger one and all the flasback stuff, while "present" Halo 4 Chief is the one and only Downes. Frankie mentioned on GAF he hasn't yet flown in to record his stuff yet; also, unsurprisingly, visual effects are still in progress.

I guess I don't understand why they went with the "Package" Chief as opposed to something closer to Halo Wars or the Reach variations. Mostly the thing that bothers me most is the giant "117" (I thought the Spartans were identical?)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on July 13, 2012, 03:01:30 AM
They placed the 117 on there because 343 thinks we would be too stupid to figure out which Spartan it was otherwise.

Oh wait, I'm thinking of another developer.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 13, 2012, 03:02:37 AM
Remember David Prowse read all the lines for Darth Vader on set, and then was dubbed over by James Earl Jones.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 13, 2012, 03:19:10 AM
Remember David Prowse read all the lines for Darth Vader on set, and then was dubbed over by James Earl Jones.

Fun fact, his line in Empire Strikes Back was "Obi Wan killed your father", and they told Hamill beforehand to over-emote the hell out of it so it would make sense later.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on July 13, 2012, 03:44:53 AM
I think the training uniforms look janky, as does the Chief,
Chief didn't sound like Steve Downes. Am I wrong? You would think that since we never see his face, hence we never see his lips move, I  don't see why they couldn't have added his voice overs post production.

Edit: I keep forgetting that part of this takes place in the past, so I guess the inevitable "he's younger" argument is gonna come up, and I suppose thats good enough.

http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1145913

Also, I'm hopeful about how Cudmore will act in the suit. I still think CG is the absolute best, but given that Chief's going to be live action I think this will be about as good as it gets from what I've seen/heard from all the stuff I've watched on it so far.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 13, 2012, 05:50:36 AM
Mostly the thing that bothers me most is the giant "117" (I thought the Spartans were identical?)

OH MY GOSH!! I HATE WHEN PEOPLE BRING UP THIS LINE. Seriously, that Every piece of canon about the spartan's that we have gotten since has contradicted and overruled that one sentence from the book. Eventually, people need to forget about it.
AND EVEN IF that line is still canon, wasn't it said from a civilian's perspective? if I saw a bunch of people dressed in MC's the package armor, and the only difference was that there was different numbers on the chest, I would say they were pretty indistinguashable.

Remember David Prowse read all the lines for Darth Vader on set, and then was dubbed over by James Earl Jones.

Fun fact, his line in Empire Strikes Back was "Obi Wan killed your father", and they told Hamill beforehand to over-emote the hell out of it so it would make sense later.

Actually they told Hamill what the line really was, in private, right before he went on set to shoot that scene.

I did like that they showed the UNSC recieveing the forward unto dawn's distress signal from h3, that makes me excited to see how they bridge the gap or whatever between H3 and 4

But a real quick question; Where is this? Is it set on Harvest? no... Cause chief wasnt around.
Then why do they say "what are those things" and "its a whole new war" like they havent been briefed on the covenent, or like they havent heard any press about the Planets that are being destroyed... Like... Whats going on with that?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on July 13, 2012, 06:34:34 AM
Indeed, and I'm pretty sure MC didn't get mjolnir until at least 5 months after the first couple harvest skirmishes.  I recall the scene where they are given the briefing about how the trio of ships got obliterated at harvest...5 months after it happened.  Maybe they just kept the whole covenant thing under wraps for a while, especially to the young'ins

And I'm also pretty sure he was still rolling squad deep at that point in time.  Spartans were ALWAYS in squads until most of them died.  I understand the logistics of building 4 spartan suits is a bit much but c'mon...there better be good justification for him being alone.   My no. 1 biggest peeve about the franchise is how they pretend the other S-IIs don't exist outside of the books.  They've had opportunity after opportunity to show them/introduce them yet still, no dice.  IMO they're more important to who the chief is than cortana, yet always shunted to the side.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 13, 2012, 09:35:06 AM
Indeed, and I'm pretty sure MC didn't get mjolnir until at least 5 months after the first couple harvest skirmishes.  I recall the scene where they are given the briefing about how the trio of ships got obliterated at harvest...5 months after it happened.  Maybe they just kept the whole covenant thing under wraps for a while, especially to the young'ins

And I'm also pretty sure he was still rolling squad deep at that point in time.  Spartans were ALWAYS in squads until most of them died.  I understand the logistics of building 4 spartan suits is a bit much but c'mon...there better be good justification for him being alone.   My no. 1 biggest peeve about the franchise is how they pretend the other S-IIs don't exist outside of the books.  They've had opportunity after opportunity to show them/introduce them yet still, no dice.  IMO they're more important to who the chief is than cortana, yet always shunted to the side.

Yeah that was a pretty daunting scene in the book when the Covenant was revealed the Spartans. Very matter of fact.

And yes it bloody annoys me about the Spartan IIs too. Do what you promised 343. Tie everything together.
"He's the last of his kind..." NO HE ISN'T! NOT AT ALL.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on July 13, 2012, 12:19:01 PM
A fan asked about them at the rooster teeth event, and frankie said they won't be in Halo 4, but their story will be told, and will be germane to the main storyline.

He didn't say if that meant they'd actually be in the main halo games, or just in the books and referenced in the games.  If it's the latter I'd be utterly disappointed.   I'm already disappointed they aren't in Halo 4, I figured having them onboard the infinity with all the other "new" spartans would be the perfect opportunity.  They deserve better than just being in the books.  Grrr I get angry just thinking about it.   Going back further, imagine if bungie didn't feel the need to put them in a bubble.  I can imagine a senario where they were actually involved in the plot of halo 2 and 3, and how much better the story would be.  I always felt like 3-4 of the main characters of the halo universe were missing from the main plot. 

They should make a Halo 4: ODST of sorts devoted to Linda Kelly and Fred, to explain to people who they are and what they were doing, so they can eventually be part of the primary trilogy.

Would make a great spartan ops team.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 13, 2012, 07:11:52 PM
Its on a new planet.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 13, 2012, 08:11:06 PM

They should make a Halo 4: ODST of sorts devoted to Linda Kelly and Fred, to explain to people who they are and what they were doing, so they can eventually be part of the primary trilogy.

Would make a great spartan ops team.

That would be incredible.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 13, 2012, 09:53:14 PM

They should make a Halo 4: ODST of sorts devoted to Linda Kelly and Fred, to explain to people who they are and what they were doing, so they can eventually be part of the primary trilogy.

Would make a great spartan ops team.

That would incredible.

I still want an ODST game set on the first Halo, covering the events of The Flood.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 14, 2012, 02:37:23 AM

They should make a Halo 4: ODST of sorts devoted to Linda Kelly and Fred, to explain to people who they are and what they were doing, so they can eventually be part of the primary trilogy.

Would make a great spartan ops team.

That would be incredible.

Not gonna happen ever. You realize that the team you are with have to be generic S-IV's, because your character has to be canon. Also i maintain that all the S-IIs are way stronger than the S-IV's, so gameplay would be weird. Even if it was just 1 S-IV on a team of S-IIs... Thats just weird
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 19, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
    Ok, so on one of the Latest sparkasts, Frankie mentioned that the academy that they are at is like a higher class academy one for the children of officer. He then went on to mention that H4 FUD will feature some characters that go on and are featured in the main trilogy (i highly doubt that he means the master chief)

But it got me thinking:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72vnmoDM81r0gaf1o2_250.png)
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090626202218/halo/images/thumb/2/21/Lieutenant_Commander_Miranda_Keyes.png/200px-Lieutenant_Commander_Miranda_Keyes.png)


   And the theory I think works even better if you include this picture from Flood-Keyes's memory:

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120120214456/halo/images/thumb/6/64/Keyes4.png/640px-Keyes4.png)

The main problem is that i think the time periods are off, and miranda was either not born, or just a baby
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on July 19, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
http://www.halopedia.org/Chyler_Silva
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 19, 2012, 01:35:34 PM
Lol, Theory fail :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 19, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
Indeed :P

Some have speculated she's supposed to be related to Silva from The Flood, but I find that doubtful too.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on July 19, 2012, 03:46:16 PM
She's obviously cortana.

(I fully expect a thread on waypoint about such).
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 19, 2012, 03:57:34 PM
She's obviously cortana.

(I fully expect a thread on waypoint about such).

Now now, no picking on Waypoint! :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on July 19, 2012, 04:31:12 PM
I do think it's pretty funny how Waypoint has become the home for everyone new to or unaware of the majority of Halo fiction. I guess b.net was the same, as would be any other official outlet. New fans are only willing to invest so much energy into finding better outlets, apparently...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 19, 2012, 06:10:22 PM
Well, they are willing to invest as much energy into finding better outlets as they are to actually learn the fiction, you know?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 19, 2012, 06:47:01 PM
She's obviously cortana.

(I fully expect a thread on waypoint about such).

Now now, no picking on Waypoint! :P

Hey now, I like reading twenty daily threads about why "4rm3r L0ck sUcks", and how "343 1s rUning h4l0". Not forgetting: "wAypint iz leik bungee.net noaw". I seriously gave up on Waypoint in like a few days after checking the forums (surprised I lasted that long). Not exactly smart individuals, and they don't seem to want to discuss anything if it isn't to do with DMR bloom.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on July 19, 2012, 11:23:28 PM
New Halo Bulletin out today....

http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/07/19/The-Halo-Bulletin-71812.aspx (http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/07/19/The-Halo-Bulletin-71812.aspx)

On the subject of Chief's armor in Forward Onto Dawn....

It looks so much like his suit from The Package. They're probably making that official now. Helps to sell more of those McFarlane toys.

I mean it looks cool and all, and they probably will be able to work it into the fiction just fine... but why? It would've been much cooler to show and use the original Mk. V.

Post called it. Have we got the awards system set up yet?   ;D

Quote from:  The Halo Bulletin
So what’s the story with Chief’s armor? Does that design work with canon/Halo Wars/book covers/everything else?

Totally works. That design, influenced heavily by the armor seen in The Package from Halo Legends, fits squarely within the Mark IV line of MJOLNIR armor (and all existing stories/depictions from that timeframe in the canon). Does it look exactly like the armor from Halo Wars? Nope, and that’s 100% okay. MJOLNIR armor is constantly evolving and having special variants developed, just like many other major weapons systems (fighter jets/helicopters/capital ships/tanks). There is no “one design only” for each generation of MJOLNIR, as it would lessen the scope of the MJOLNIR project to suggest that those scientists made one suit and then called it a day for a decade or so. But it is important that each generation shares similar characteristics and a signature look (as well as evokes the big-picture Master Chief gold visor/green armor/overall profile), and we think that this version of the armor works well on all fronts.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 19, 2012, 11:35:21 PM
Clearly I should.

Still don't buy their explanation (since that essentially means they used this version of Mk IV in 2525ish, then switched to Halo Wars stuff, then switched to Package armor for "The Package", then switched back for "The Babysitter", et al. It just adds more headaches that could have been flat-out avoided.)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on July 19, 2012, 11:48:54 PM
Clearly I should.

Still don't buy their explanation (since that essentially means they used this version of Mk IV in 2525ish, then switched to Halo Wars stuff, then switched to Package armor for "The Package", then switched back for "The Babysitter", et al. It just adds more headaches that could have been flat-out avoided.)

The different armor permutations weren't necessarily adopted universally by all the Spartans. Perhaps the first wave received was the Legends variant, then some of the other Spartans (Red Team from HW and Cal from Babysitter) received the HW variant of armor, but Chief and his Spartans had the Package variant of armor until receiving upgrades and eventually Mk. V in 2552.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 20, 2012, 12:16:32 AM
Clearly I should.

Still don't buy their explanation (since that essentially means they used this version of Mk IV in 2525ish, then switched to Halo Wars stuff, then switched to Package armor for "The Package", then switched back for "The Babysitter", et al. It just adds more headaches that could have been flat-out avoided.)

The different armor permutations weren't necessarily adopted universally by all the Spartans. Perhaps the first wave received was the Legends variant, then some of the other Spartans (Red Team from HW and Cal from Babysitter) received the HW variant of armor, but Chief and his Spartans had the Package variant of armor until receiving upgrades and eventually Mk. V in 2552.

*Twitch, twitch* I-I-Identical....

*Whimper, shiver in corner*
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 20, 2012, 01:54:12 AM
Haha, Dave, Let go... Breathe deep, seek peace... (anybody get that reference?)

They could have been identical at the start of the program still...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 20, 2012, 01:59:34 AM
Haha, Dave, Let go... Breathe deep, seek peace... (anybody get that reference?)

They could have been identical at the start of the program still...

Well now I'm not going to sleep, I've got to read Dinotopia first. I would consider killing someone in exchange for painting skills like that man.

As to all the canon woes, "my pain belongs to the divine. It is like air, it is like water..."
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 20, 2012, 02:04:01 AM
YES!!!!   :D Im So happy you got that!!  That just made my day
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 20, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
Oh yeah, that reminds me, the live-action "Dinotopia" is on Netflix.

I'm going to hate myself for rewatching it, but it must be done... besides if I can suffer through Jurassic Park the Game this is far better.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 20, 2012, 02:08:02 AM
I miss my Elite Flight armour...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 20, 2012, 02:10:32 AM
Oh yeah, that reminds me, the live-action "Dinotopia" is on Netflix.

I'm going to hate myself for rewatching it, but it must be done... besides if I can suffer through Jurassic Park the Game this is far better.

Ugh. Books were great, everything else... I really hated the 'technology evil' vibe of the second one though, I want an industrial revolution with robot dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 20, 2012, 02:17:17 AM
Oh yeah, that reminds me, the live-action "Dinotopia" is on Netflix.

I'm going to hate myself for rewatching it, but it must be done... besides if I can suffer through Jurassic Park the Game this is far better.

Ugh. Books were great, everything else... I really hated the 'technology evil' vibe of the second one though, I want an industrial revolution with robot dinosaurs.

Yeah that was kind of annoying too, especially since the sunstones were awesome, powerful, and inexhaustible sources of carbon-neutral and non-polluting energy.

Halo 4 mechs powered by sunstones?

(http://i.imgur.com/xMUgN.png)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 20, 2012, 02:35:01 AM
As long as they are Euryptid shaped!
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on July 20, 2012, 04:27:24 AM
"You don't ride a Skyback, you ride with a Skyback."

That whole sequence in the miniseries is still the bomb though.

True fact, I have a signed copy of Dinotopia that Gurney drew a little sauropod in for me when I was real young. :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 20, 2012, 05:24:56 AM
"You don't ride a Skyback, you ride with a Skyback."

That whole sequence in the miniseries is still the bomb though.

True fact, I have a signed copy of Dinotopia that Gurney drew a little sauropod in for me when I was real young. :)

O.o I want so bad...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 20, 2012, 11:17:39 AM
"You don't ride a Skyback, you ride with a Skyback."

That whole sequence in the miniseries is still the bomb though.

True fact, I have a signed copy of Dinotopia that Gurney drew a little sauropod in for me when I was real young. :)

O.o I want so bad...

Aye, me too. I remember when I was a kid the art store down the street had a bunch of the full-size art for The World Beneath framed.

Anyhow, getting a bit more on-topic, interviews with chaps from FUD:
*Anna Popplewell Interview http://cruellegaceyproductions.com/2012/07/17/halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-interview-with-anna-popplewell/
*Stuart Hendler Interview http://cruellegaceyproductions.com/2012/07/16/halo-4-forward-unto-dawn-interview-with-director-stewart-hendler/

At least these guys seem invested in the canon :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on July 20, 2012, 02:43:08 PM
The Daniel Cudmore interview was pretty hype-inducing for me as well. Just hearing him talk about what it feels like to play the Chief and put on the armor and whatnot.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 20, 2012, 10:39:51 PM
Not gonna lie, I may only watch the anna popplewell video...

EDIT: nvm, she is pretty dumb
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 20, 2012, 10:44:25 PM
Not gonna lie, I may only watch the anna popplewell video...

EDIT: nvm, she is pretty dumb

Haha, I presume all actors are pretty inarticulate unless they prove otherwise :D
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 20, 2012, 10:47:08 PM
i think its just a matter of giving them a list of the questions like 10 minutes or so before the interview
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on July 21, 2012, 01:34:05 AM
She at least read contact harvest, which is good enough for me.

Though, IMO, fall of Reach is probably the most important and universe defining novel to date.  At least the modern (year 2500+) universe. 
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on July 21, 2012, 01:41:49 AM
Though, IMO, fall of Reach is probably the most important and universe defining novel to date.  At least the modern (year 2500+) universe.

Agreed. That's why I was a little ticked off after completing the campaign in Reach. It wasn't that cared all that much that we we're playing as SIII's with no real mention of chief or the other II's but how it went against the cannon provided in
the most important and universe defining novel to date. At least the modern (year 2500+) universe. 
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 21, 2012, 03:03:33 AM
Its funny how many people consider the FIRST (chronologically in terms of release) example as the best.

 
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 21, 2012, 03:06:38 AM
I wouldn't say The Fall of Reach is the best Halo novel in terms of writing (Contact Harvest is I think overall the most satisfying, with Cryptum coming in after it.) But I can see the argument for calling it the most important. It is the bedrock on which most of the other fiction is built. It's a shame Bungie decided to scrap the last third of it, because it really set up the games really well--a supersoldier with a ragtag group, on the run from one battle and thrown into something even worse.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 21, 2012, 03:14:56 AM
I wouldn't say The Fall of Reach is the best Halo novel in terms of writing (Contact Harvest is I think overall the most satisfying, with Cryptum coming in after it.) But I can see the argument for calling it the most important. It is the bedrock on which most of the other fiction is built. It's a shame Bungie decided to scrap the last third of it, because it really set up the games really well--a supersoldier with a ragtag group, on the run from one battle and thrown into something even worse.

Bungie kind of built themselves into a corner. They struggled to break the 'Halo is Master Chief' mold with the Arbiter,  ODST, Reach, and Halo Wars, but could never successfully pull themselves away from the gravity well of the unwashed masses that kept demanding more of the same. 343 (so far at least) seem happy to pander to fan expectations.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 21, 2012, 03:24:07 AM
I think that if Bungie wanted to move away from the Chief, they also needed to move to another genre. A Halo FPS was bound to have certain limitations.

I'm not sure I really buy your "unwashed masses" argument, though. It was Bungie that decided to segregate their expanded universe and game stories. It was Bungie that essentially recanted all their storytelling in Halo 2, with the result that we got the highly uneven and less-satisfying Halo 3. Those were internal issues, not fan-created ones.

But either way, their considerations didn't have to affect the story. They could still have told something with the same amount of impact and had it lie with canon. Instead we got more disposable soldiers, and two wasted battles that didn't ever match their possible scope. (Counting Sigma Octanus, since the Reach retcons basically don't make it necessary to ever have that battle.)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 21, 2012, 03:58:29 AM
I think part of the problem is that the majority of Americans haven't figured out this 'you can have different stories told in the same universe' thing.

I thought Arbiter was a fan-created issue. Halo 2 was also a Microsoft issue in that it was rushed to release, although if they'd been given more time they probably would have had more Arbiter and therefore more whining about him.

I think part of the problem was that Bungie wanted to have the cake, and Microsoft wanted to eat it. Bungie wanted to tell other stories, and Microsoft wanted to make money. Other stories didn't make as much money.

You make the most money with MC Mjolnir (can't touch this) so everything has to be about him...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on July 21, 2012, 12:48:17 PM
I think of what the story bungie told could've been like if the novels weren't shunted to the side.

Halo: Reach could've been such a monumental and amazing ending to their time on Halo, instead we get throw away characters that we have to force ourselves to care about.   

If it was my way, it would've told the history of Reach and its importance to the spartans, esp John since he's apparently the only spartan that ever existed according to bungie.  Each mission would've taken place through a different spartans (II) eyes, all throughout Reaches 35 year history with them.  Only the final third of the game would've actually been about the battle of Reach.    Maybe retconned a few things (I prefer the 2 week battle to the 1 day battle, also, the importance of Halseys discovery and Reaches sacrifice actually meaning something as a result).


MEH.  No use mulling over the past.  I just hope if there's a movie or something, they aren't afraid to retcon parts of the story to not completely ignore the characters in the books.

I am annoyed that frankie basically said blue team will be regulated to books for who knows how long.  They're running out of time...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 21, 2012, 01:11:29 PM
Karen Traviss will probably kill them off...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 21, 2012, 02:22:35 PM
Karen Traviss will probably kill them off...

I take it you weren't a fan of Glasslands, then?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 21, 2012, 02:59:55 PM
Karen Traviss will probably kill them off...

I take it you weren't a fan of Glasslands, then?

I didn't like her hamfisted portrayal of Halsey as the ultimate evil, but its more that I worked in a bookshop and I heard stories about her and Star Wars.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 21, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
Karen Traviss will probably kill them off...

I take it you weren't a fan of Glasslands, then?

I didn't like her hamfisted portrayal of Halsey as the ultimate evil, but its more that I worked in a bookshop and I heard stories about her and Star Wars.

Eh, I could care less about Star Wars, beyond that's what I hope Halo never becomes in regards to expanded universe. :P

I think ultimately Glasslands was a lot of setup and if there's good payoffs--in some sort of redemption for Halsey, ONI's plan blowing up in their face, status quo shift in the UNSC, things of that nature--a lot of people's complaints with the first book will be forgotten.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 21, 2012, 04:30:02 PM
I lost my fervor for Star Wars long ago.

Halsey didn't need redemption, and she didn't get it in glasslands, she got screwed over by a bitch for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 22, 2012, 08:21:06 PM
Was the Arbiter an issue?

I dont really think so...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 22, 2012, 09:34:16 PM
I really liked Glasslands... *sniff* U GAISE R MEAN! :'(

I guess I'm used to Traviss's writing style since I had previously read her 'Republic Commando' series (which didn't get a final chapter, damn you George Lucas for changing canon all over the place). The whole Star Wars universe is a fictional mess, and that series had virtually no impact on the rest of it so I don't see why Traviss wasn't allowed to just finish one more book.

My favourite part of Glasslands was definitely when Lucy punched Halsey in face. When I read it I was like "AAAAAAAWWW YEEEEAAAAH!".

The only issue I had was how short the Dyson Sphere part was, as I thought it would be a more major part of the book.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 23, 2012, 04:12:26 AM
Was the Arbiter an issue?

I dont really think so...

The Arbiter wasn't an issue for those who didn't need their Master Chief Safety Blanket TM to play.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 23, 2012, 08:06:54 PM
See, you say that, but I have some friends who are not hardcore fans at all, and they would be the type of people who would complain that they aren't the chief. But they actually thought it was cool, like the concept of "You get to play as one of the Bad guys" Was like the coolest thing ever back then
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 24, 2012, 10:31:45 AM
There was some moaning. I would have liked them to have gone all the way and made Halo 2 all Arbiter.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 29, 2012, 05:24:52 PM
In remodeling FUD's article archives I came across this comment of yours on the Narrative Evolved page, Capac:

Quote
I feel that the Arbiters part in Halo 2, if Halo 2 were made today, would have been spun off into its own game, much like ODST.
I’m interested to know how you fit Reach into this analysis now that it has been released.

I'm not sure that would have worked for me--"now play as the bad guys!" would have felt gimmicky and redundant. I think Halo 2 *needed* to have the enmeshed stories otherwise what would have been the point?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 29, 2012, 05:35:57 PM
I'm not sure that would have worked for me--"now play as the bad guys!" would have felt gimmicky and redundant. I think Halo 2 *needed* to have the enmeshed stories otherwise what would have been the point?

Yeah I really liked seeing the two paths of Chief and the Arbiter run beside each other, and then come together at the Gravemind. And then both had their part to play in stopping Tartarus and Truth. Not that I wouldn't happily play an entire game as the Arbiter, but I would prefer it that we played as a new Elite character and the Arbiter could cameo in it for a few missions or something (like the Shipmaster in halo 2). I really hope that the Arbiter isn't dead by the time Halo 4 comes around.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 29, 2012, 06:50:55 PM
I think you could do something like that in a sort of balanced game where you got a chance to experience similar elements from different perspectives. *cough cough Halo version of Star Wars Battlefront cough*

The problem I'd have with a game being Covenant-driven is that there's not much substance from a impetus point of view. True, "save humanity" isn't much of a deep motivation, but "destroy the unbelievers" isn't really as palatable. The Arbiter's segments had more weight because it wasn't just "destroy the unbelievers", it was "redeem yourself", "find the Covenant's salvation", etc. Maybe they could do similar, I dunno.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 29, 2012, 10:53:18 PM
2 separate games released side by side, Halo 2 UNSC and Halo 2 Covenant lets say. Each has its own campaign. Halo 2 UNSC covers pretty much the same territory as Halo 2, but with levels like the Forerunner Tank in place of the Arbiters levels.
Halo 2 Covenant starts with the Arbiter 'cleansing' some escaped Flood from the first Halo, and witnessing the final events, with some added material from First Strike in the cutscenes, this leads on to the trial, the oracle, yada yada. It goes much more in depth into Elite loyalty and honor, and their opinions on humanity and Spartans, with a slant towards 'why are we fighting them, why is our opinion on matters of war being disregarded by the prophets?'
We get to know half-jaw and his squad better, we see more of Covenant 'society', and we see more evidence of the power shift towards the brutes and the elites perspective on it.

Instead of the last section being about getting back to Earth, in Halo 2 Covenant its about the outbreak of war and the fracturing of an empire, culminating in the blockade of high charity and delta halo.

Both games would feature the same multiplayer, but the campaigns would be unique. Some missions would overlap, but the cutscenes would be different to reflect the different perspectives. Completing both campaigns unlocks a special ending.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 29, 2012, 11:07:50 PM
Ok, I'll bite--what's the ending? :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on July 30, 2012, 12:51:12 AM
I always thought that if they were to do Halo movies, they'd need to split Halo 2 (plus kinda the events of first strike to a degree) into 2 movies.

One would more or less cover the battle of earth.  Once chief leaves chasing regret the movie just stays on earth and details what happens for the month before chief returns.  Of course...if I were to make the movies, blue team would never leave earth, and they'd be one of the focus points, along with the ODST squad, halsey, etc.  Them being forced into a bubble is severely anticlimactic...having all the important people getting further and further apart isn't how a saga should end; they should converge and all go to the ark together, in a climax.

And the second movie would cover the arbiter and ultimately the great schism.  Also, chief.  Ending with the dreadnought floating towards earth, with earth looking in its death throes (akin to the Halo 2 announcement trailer).
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 30, 2012, 01:29:45 AM
Combining elements of ODST into Halo 2 pt. I would be an interesting approach, although you'd have to set up Buck and co. earlier in the story.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on July 30, 2012, 01:51:13 AM
Aye, well I'd also split the events of 2511-2552 into 2 movies.

First would be called The spartan project...or contact harvest...or "Halo: Insurrection" or something.  It would begin with Halsey going to see candidates for S-II, and end with the first skirmish at harvest.  First 2/3 of the movie would be all about the insurrection, just to get that flipped on its head at the end when the covenant arrive.  Since Johnson is basically a spartan-I, the title "Halo: The Spartan Project" makes sense to me.  It also gives people more time to bond with the young S-IIs, get a good emotional attachment to them for when...

The second movie:  The fall of Reach comes out.  Begins with the spartans getting outfitted in Mk. IV, and ends with the destruction of Reach and discovery of Halo.  The idea being that this is a really tragic movie, where by the end we're led to believe that all the spartans but one are dead.  Since were not trying to cram the entire TFOR story into one movie, there'd be more room for fleshing out the likes of Preston Cole, Buck, S-IIIs and other people.


I've thought about this stuff entirely too much.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 30, 2012, 02:53:14 AM
ftp://
Ok, I'll bite--what's the ending? :)

Johnson and the Arbiter kiss.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 30, 2012, 08:37:49 AM
but with levels like the Forerunner Tank in place of the Arbiters levels.

Yeah! Forerunner Tank! Awesomeness WOULD ensue.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 30, 2012, 04:44:33 PM
I really hate when Microsoft push unfinished product out the door... *sigh*
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 30, 2012, 06:44:11 PM
I really hate when Microsoft push unfinished product out the door... *sigh*

I remember a quote from Bungie about "landing the plane at an 89 degree angle". It's still my favourite game of the series by far, but yeah. At least Microsoft are being pretty nice to 343 now. They understand that Halo is important, and should be preserved for what it is rather than changing it. Unlike EA who only care about owning franchises, and not what they contain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkB8Y4oAjB4

Cause' ya know, the thing that survival horror games are lacking is MACHINES GUNS. Now it's scary guys. At least the first one had you feeling a little vulnerable since you only had tools as weapons for the most part.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 30, 2012, 09:23:18 PM
I really hate when Microsoft push unfinished product out the door... *sigh*

I remember a quote from Bungie about "landing the plane at an 89 degree angle". It's still my favourite game of the series by far, but yeah. At least Microsoft are being pretty nice to 343 now. They understand that Halo is important, and should be better managed to insure KPIs and deadlines are met, whilst fostering innovation in the workplace and reinforcing strong feelings of personal investment and ownership in employees, as well as creating a safe and friendly working environment rather than changing it. Unlike EA who only care about owning franchises, and not what they contain.


Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 30, 2012, 09:39:05 PM
I really hate when Microsoft push unfinished product out the door... *sigh*

I remember a quote from Bungie about "landing the plane at an 89 degree angle". It's still my favourite game of the series by far, but yeah. At least Microsoft are being pretty nice to 343 now. They understand that Halo is important, and should be better managed to insure KPIs and deadlines are met, whilst fostering innovation in the workplace and reinforcing strong feelings of personal investment and ownership in employees, as well as creating a safe and friendly working environment rather than changing it. Unlike EA who only care about owning franchises, and not what they contain.


Fixed that for ya.

Yeah what you said. i aren't gud wit wurds.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 30, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
lol
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 31, 2012, 07:04:54 PM
    Hmmm. Yeah I think it would be fine to have two halo 2's (2 halo 2s  8)) {games or movies} and sort of achieve a "Letters from Iwo Jima -- Flags of our Fathers" effect.
Although the problem would be; I simply dont think that there would be enough content for the elite campaign without making them fight humans, which really isn't halo's style.

As to a ODST style game from the elites point of view; I think that it would be awesome to make one not during the halo age. For example have the game center around the Taming of the Hunters;
   You would be able to explore a Ton of new Lekgolo forms; And since these would be Wild Mg'lekgolo; you would really be able to go crazy with them
   You would be able to explore the possible connections that the lekgolo have with the precursor or forerunner (due to their strange--To specific to be a coincidence-- nature of eating forerunner metals) And still be able to advance the story of halo as a whole
   And you could have an awesome new side-ODST style narrative based game

That said; I dont think we will see any ODST style games any more, i think all of the manpower that was devoted to ODST will be diverted to making new seasons of Spops



**Also:
YES HALO BATTLEFRONT PLEEEAAASSE 343 PLEEEAASSEE GIMME GIMME GIMME I NEED I NEED I WAAAANNNNT
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on July 31, 2012, 10:59:24 PM
I wants and ODST type "expansion" about blue team. Campaign only.  To bring the non readers up to date with them so they can finally be in the main games.

blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team blue team

plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


plz.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on July 31, 2012, 11:31:14 PM
plz.

Frankie: "Lol no" *trollface*

At least they put that Linda display in CEA. At least they were thinking about it even a little... like a microscopic amount...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on July 31, 2012, 11:53:48 PM
plz.

Frankie: "Lol no" *trollface*

At least they put that Linda display in CEA. At least they were thinking about it even a little... like a microscopic amount...
Haha, or Saber Interactive was :)

Actually, that makes me wonder exactly where Linda was in the Autumn anyhow. There had to have been more cryo pods for the rest of the crew, and she was probably ejected right before the Autumn crash-landed...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on August 01, 2012, 09:09:17 AM

Haha, or Saber Interactive was :)

Actually, that makes me wonder exactly where Linda was in the Autumn anyhow. There had to have been more cryo pods for the rest of the crew, and she was probably ejected right before the Autumn crash-landed...

Yeah 343 didn't really do any of the graphical work did they lol. But when you leave the cryo bay at the start of the game, there is another bay to your left but the door is locked of course(when you have to jump for the first time). Apparently she is in there and it amazes and annoys me that Chief wouldn't even say something. I know he shouldn't go and save her since taking her out would have killed her at that point but come on man, they're like battle-bros.

But to be fair it 343 did all the referencing for Saber so I suppose they were the ones who told them to put the display in.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on August 01, 2012, 12:12:38 PM

Haha, or Saber Interactive was :)

Actually, that makes me wonder exactly where Linda was in the Autumn anyhow. There had to have been more cryo pods for the rest of the crew, and she was probably ejected right before the Autumn crash-landed...

Yeah 343 didn't really do any of the graphical work did they lol. But when you leave the cryo bay at the start of the game, there is another bay to your left but the door is locked of course(when you have to jump for the first time). Apparently she is in there and it amazes and annoys me that Chief wouldn't even say something. I know he shouldn't go and save her since taking her out would have killed her at that point but come on man, they're like battle-bros.

But to be fair it 343 did all the referencing for Saber so I suppose they were the ones who told them to put the display in.

Oh true you do get into cryo 2 but only after it crashes, so she could have been in there (although how exactly you eject pods from those rooms still mystifies me.)

I do hope we get a more chatty chief like it's been hinted. It might be a little weird for some players but I'd really enjoy getting more running commentary and pertinent info rather than having to twist it in such a way that doesn't work on the face of it.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on August 01, 2012, 02:54:47 PM
Oh true you do get into cryo 2 but only after it crashes, so she could have been in there (although how exactly you eject pods from those rooms still mystifies me.)

Yeah but her pod was supposedly ejected as the Autumn was going down, otherwise I don't see how it made it from Halo to out of the atmosphere, unless it had like super boosterz tm.

But yeah even the Halo 4 E3 stuff showed Chief and Cortana talking more. It was pretty much all based on the current situation but just simple lines like "Hostiles!" and "Chief, look out!" will remind you that you are in control of a person and not a robot. I just like that it shows that they are trying to help each other out. They both need each other to survive, especially on a strange new world. Argh I got excited again damn you. There's still 96 days, 9 hours, 6 minutes and 20 seconds to go damn it!
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on August 04, 2012, 09:45:25 AM
Aren't the pods sort of sticking out of the floor?

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn310/KazzorSwan/halo2010-10-0203-01-35-11-1.jpg

It looks like the floor could open underneath it and it could drop into some kind of launch tube.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on August 04, 2012, 05:06:03 PM
Or they could slide up the track into the ceiling and then into a launch tube. I always felt like there was a larger cryo storage area, and only those personnel who were about to be thawed or needed to be on hand for emergencies were kept easily accessible. Unsure about how accurate this is though.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on August 04, 2012, 05:37:00 PM
Or they could slide up the track into the ceiling and then into a launch tube. I always felt like there was a larger cryo storage area, and only those personnel who were about to be thawed or needed to be on hand for emergencies were kept easily accessible. Unsure about how accurate this is though.
Well, each room like the ones we saw only carries ~50 pods, so 100+ for a single bay... if the crew complements on Halopedian are to be believed that means there have to be dozens of similar rooms, or a few much larger versions as Post suggests.

Even considering the size of the Autumn's engines and the length of its MAC gun, there's plenty of space inside the Autumn we never got to see.

http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_poaconundrum/images/POA-Full-Int-Ext.jpg
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on August 04, 2012, 05:43:55 PM
Even considering the size of the Autumn's engines and the length of its MAC gun, there's plenty of space inside the Autumn we never got to see.

What about the impossibly long Warthog run area. Cause that totally would fit in there.  :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on August 04, 2012, 07:20:58 PM
Even considering the size of the Autumn's engines and the length of its MAC gun, there's plenty of space inside the Autumn we never got to see.

What about the impossibly long Warthog run area. Cause that totally would fit in there.  :P

Well, I assume that's mostly for dramatic effect.

Even ignoring the trench run, the end hangar for the Longsword wouldn't comfortably fit in the Autumn--especially when you consider there should be space for, what, six of those?

All in all, though, a 1.17km ship is big, but when you factor in 2,300+ people on board and the amount of actual, usable space, it sounds incredibly cramped.

It's interesting we never saw crew quarters. Maybe non-command/engineering and support locations are positioned above the MAC?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on August 04, 2012, 09:16:37 PM
Well, it could also be that there wasnt crew quarters for non-command/important crew members.

And i like post's comment, where it wasnt that there was just a bigger loading bay, rather there was just a super compact storage hanger, where all the cryo pods would be cramped in super close pacted, and then when they need to be thawed, they are removed and taken to a "cryo bay" where there is actually room to get out of your pod and stuff
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on August 04, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
Hopefully they don't get any accidents where the cryo loading system and the MAC ammo feed cross over.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: That Gunslinger on August 04, 2012, 11:40:18 PM
Hopefully they don't get any accidents where the cryo loading system and the MAC ammo feed cross over.

That would be like an alternative to ODSTs. Just fire Spartans into the hulls of Covenant ships and let them tear it apart from the inside. Just the small issue of them being disintegrated by the MAC.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on August 04, 2012, 11:43:26 PM
Hopefully they don't get any accidents where the cryo loading system and the MAC ammo feed cross over.

That would be like an alternative to ODSTs. Just fire Spartans into the hulls of Covenant ships and let them tear it apart from the inside. Just the small issue of them being disintegrated by the MAC.

Hard light shields?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on August 05, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Hopefully they don't get any accidents where the cryo loading system and the MAC ammo feed cross over.

That would be like an alternative to ODSTs. Just fire Spartans into the hulls of Covenant ships and let them tear it apart from the inside. Just the small issue of them being disintegrated by the MAC.

Hard light shields?

There is a singularity in science fiction where efficient hard light and inertial dampening systems mean you can effectively do anything including breaking science.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on August 06, 2012, 12:25:54 AM
There is a singularity in science fiction where efficient hard light and inertial dampening systems mean you can effectively do anything including breaking science.

This is also referred to as "Space Magic"
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on August 06, 2012, 12:55:06 AM
There is a singularity in science fiction where efficient hard light and inertial dampening systems mean you can effectively do anything including breaking science.

This is also referred to as "Space Magic"

I have no problem with space magic as long as it doesn't break the universes internal consistency.

Like if a civilisation has access to inertial dampeners but is afraid of car crashes.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on August 06, 2012, 01:15:08 AM
There is a singularity in science fiction where efficient hard light and inertial dampening systems mean you can effectively do anything including breaking science.

This is also referred to as "Space Magic"

I have no problem with space magic as long as it doesn't break the universes internal consistency.

Like if a civilisation has access to inertial dampeners but is afraid of car crashes.

Referencing someone in particular?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on August 06, 2012, 04:41:34 AM
There is a singularity in science fiction where efficient hard light and inertial dampening systems mean you can effectively do anything including breaking science.

This is also referred to as "Space Magic"

I have no problem with space magic as long as it doesn't break the universes internal consistency.

Like if a civilisation has access to inertial dampeners but is afraid of car crashes.

Referencing someone in particular?

Are you inferring that I may have a particular game in mind? lol.

This particular problem comes up fairly often. A good example of it being avoided is in the prequels, in the Coruscant car chase. Obi-Wan casually throws his lightsaber on the seat next to him, knowing the inertial dampeners will keep it in place. In Star Wars, they have dampeners that completely negate 10++ Gs (x-wings etc).

What you DON'T hear mentioned though is defensive use of inertial dampeners.

In a world where the most devastating weapon you can have is accelerating a large mass at a planet, you don't want a force field wall for it to slam into at relativistic velocities, you want a directed inertial dampening field to rob it off its potential energy.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on August 06, 2012, 05:26:12 PM
ODSTs aren't liquidated by their high speed impact with the ground, no reason to think Spartans would be in their cryotubes either. :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on August 07, 2012, 07:16:26 AM
ODSTs aren't liquidated by their high speed impact with the ground, no reason to think Spartans would be in their cryotubes either. :P

Humanities tech is low grade though compared to Forerunner and Covenant stuff. For example there is no reason why a Forerunner should be concerned about re-entry as long as their suit is intact.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on September 26, 2012, 11:45:11 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c55.0.403.403/p403x403/534580_446967395342828_172661900_n.jpg)



Oh my glob. 

What the lump.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on September 26, 2012, 11:51:02 PM
Where is this from?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on September 26, 2012, 11:52:43 PM
Found it on GAF, but it originated from the actresses facebook

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.358715117501390.91320.352002748172627&type=3

Specifically, click on the pic where she's in front of the mic.

Also this

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3922289/
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on September 26, 2012, 11:54:57 PM
Why do they look like Spartan-IIIs? :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on September 26, 2012, 11:56:56 PM
That's just Mk V, right?  Canonically I thought that the base chest/legs in Halo: Reach was the stock MK V everyone got.  The only reason they didn't use that style in anniv was that it didn't look "iconic" enough. 

Still brings up the question....why they're wearing MK V though.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on September 27, 2012, 12:44:06 AM
That's just Mk V, right?  Canonically I thought that the base chest/legs in Halo: Reach was the stock MK V everyone got.  The only reason they didn't use that style in anniv was that it didn't look "iconic" enough. 

Still brings up the question....why they're wearing MK V though.

Looks far closer to Mk V than the Package Mk IV looks to Mk IV, true...

We know the main action takes place in 2526ish, but perhaps the rest of the Spartans don't come into play until later/another time sequence?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on September 27, 2012, 12:51:23 AM
Possibly...just thinking, it appears those are also the voice actors yet they are entirely too young to have the MK V, which they didn't get until they were at least 40.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on September 27, 2012, 03:48:18 AM
Hmm, Yeah, I thought I picked up on hints from a few different places that we would be seeing the rest of John's squad interract with him during the FUD series.

And the chestplates that they wear reminds me more of chiefs redesigned mark VI to be honest... Especially with the girl's shoulder pieces.

EDIT: check that, that is most certainly the Reach Mark V armor
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on September 27, 2012, 05:23:14 AM
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they just did a paint/decal job on the left over suits from the remember Reach skit.  Given how short their time on screen will likely be...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on September 27, 2012, 05:26:41 AM
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they just did a paint/decal job on the left over suits from the remember Reach skit.  Given how short their time on screen will likely be...

I hadn't even thought of that, but now that you mention it, it makes sense. The actress certainly doesn't fill out her suit completely. We heard a lot about how Cudmore's MC suit was tailored specifically for him, so perhaps these are mods of the old ones. As a Star Trek fan, I completely accept budget reasons for canonical inconsistencies... it's the video games where you can't pull that card :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 03, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
Is it Friday yet?  ;D

Anyone have any predictions for the first episode?

I think it will be a lot of setting up with little action, maybe only training sequences, and I doubt that Chief will be in this episode. I also don't think the Covenant invasion will be shown until the second or third episode. But I could be wrong, and I hope I am.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 03, 2012, 10:01:35 PM
How many episodes is it supposed to be again? Four or five?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 03, 2012, 10:05:00 PM
I believe five; one every week until halo 4's release
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 03, 2012, 10:10:48 PM
Prolly not until the fourth episode then, with the final ep being all the action.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 04, 2012, 02:39:34 AM
I have a feeling the last episode is gonna be a lot of stuff that we haven't seen in any of the previews, as in, the Infinity being commissioned and right up to the beginning of Halo 4. There was that one clip where we see Lasky or Del Rio listening to the distress call from Cortana and saying "play it again" so I definitely think that is going to be in the last episode.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 04, 2012, 07:46:27 AM
Or all that extra content stuff that doesnt quite fit directly into the story of the covenant attacking the planet and master chief awakening will be the extra content that we get in the limited extended editions...
Title: Axios!
Post by: DayandKnightly on October 05, 2012, 04:56:53 AM
Something I just noticed on the trailer - at the 0.:48 mark Lasky yells something as he charges into the fight (against the orders of his superior officer it would seem).

I couldn't quite make out what the word was, but after doing a little clicking around the information superhighway I believe he yells the word "Axios!"

Translated from the Greek it means "worthy." This is what Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo cried as he fell on his own sword, an order from his Emperor (Nero in this case).

Hmmm ... Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo ... Corbulo Academy of Military Science ... I see what they did there  :)

This heightens the meaning of Black's words at the 1:10 mark when he's talking to the line to the cadets: "... I am worthy. You are anything but."

Someone may have already noticed this but I thought it was a great layer to the trailer that isn't apparent the first time you see it. There's depth we're getting and we don't even realize it.

Here's where I'm getting this from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnaeus_Domitius_Corbulo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnaeus_Domitius_Corbulo)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on October 05, 2012, 10:24:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfJVgXBfSH8&feature=plcp

Hotdamn!  Much better than I expected. Did not feel anywhere nearly as cheesy as expected.



Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 05, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfJVgXBfSH8&feature=plcp

Hotdamn!  Much better than I expected. Did not feel anywhere nearly as cheesy as expected.

Yep. Not a big fan of the stylistic choices, but all the actors seem at least competent, which is no small feat with an ensemble of young actors.

Still wondering where this is supposed to take place, though. The base having a space tether suggests it wouldn't be as remote, or as secret, as I was thinking.

Also, those dorm rooms are huge, prestigious cadets or no :P

Edit: Hmm, might be seeing the Covenant earlier than I thought, judging by what's in Ep 2.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 05, 2012, 01:41:39 PM
Lasky will definitely be defying Del Rio in Halo 4
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 05, 2012, 04:19:03 PM
I like it overall.

Its nice how with cortana's messages in the beginning, she sort of starts out very official with all these codes and stuff, and then gradually gets more and more 'emotional' or 'human' until she eventually asks "Is anybody listening?"... Just a thought

I liked how they put the wind turbines from Reach in the academy, it was a nice layer of fiction

Lasky will definitely be defying Del Rio in Halo 4

Well. Duh...

Yep. Not a big fan of the stylistic choices

Still wondering where this is supposed to take place, though. The base having a space tether suggests it wouldn't be as remote, or as secret, as I was thinking.

Edit: Hmm, might be seeing the Covenant earlier than I thought, judging by what's in Ep 2.
Besides the fact that humans have holographic display stuff everywhere, which kind of annoyed me*, what are the stylistic things that annoyed you?
*although I think that the holograms can be chocked up to the fact that this is probably the nicest/richest school in all of the UNSC, and they probably spent OOGLES of money to give it every possible technological advancement.

What makes you think it was supposed to be secret or something? I mean, they aren't really doing anything mysterious or secretive there...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 06, 2012, 02:03:00 AM
I was just re-watching; It's interesting that one of the kids actually "discovers" evidence of the impending covenant attack, although he attributes his findings to ONI hiding something, which it may well be. But at 9:40 he says "No, seriously, I'm on to something, the Coms are messed up, *Cant quite tell what he says here* Kick Ass, ONI's hiding something from us, theyve got secrets"
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Shnivly on October 06, 2012, 02:04:48 AM
Found an interview with the director. Also has Burnie from Rooster Teeth. Can't wait for more. I want them to keep making live action shorts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtm07HGc_nE&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtm07HGc_nE&feature=plcp)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Slightly Live on October 06, 2012, 02:12:48 AM
Found an interview with the director. Also has Burnie from Rooster Teeth. Can't wait for more. I want them to keep making live action shorts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtm07HGc_nE&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtm07HGc_nE&feature=plcp)

Hadn't seen that, thanks!
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 06, 2012, 02:16:13 AM
Yeah, good find, I'm watching it now

Burnie is so weird looking in this entire video, I love how he starts out in his studio and he looks so tiny and awkward compared to everyone else
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 06, 2012, 05:07:48 PM
I have been reading things about FUD the movie over at Waypoint. Everyone seems to wilfully missing how sinister and imperial the UNSC come across its no longer Greek history that is quoted its Roman, even the main character talks about brainwashing kids. Am I the only one that sees where this is going? the UNSC seems to represent everything that's Dark in  present day America plus the worst excesses of the British and Roman empire these can't be the good guys, can they? This is, after all, not an adults only franchise. Does anyone think 343 has some kind of didactic (see what I did there) responsibility

For me the only question is when does this storyline get a conclusion Halo 4 Halo 5 even Halo 6?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Slightly Live on October 06, 2012, 05:12:53 PM
It's funny, before the Covenant Invasion the UNSC does seem to be this terrible intolerant empire. We get very little information about the Insurrectionists and their reasons for rebelling and the UNSC seems pretty damm determined to eradicate them - even creating the Spartan project to do so.

It's like Star Wars except told from the side of the Empire and the Spartans are walking Death Stars and we're cheering on the bad guys just because a third party has entered the fight.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 06, 2012, 05:16:47 PM
I have been reading things about FUD the movie over at Waypoint. Everyone seems to wilfully missing how sinister and imperial the UNSC come across its no longer Greek history that is quoted its Roman, even the main character talks about brainwashing kids. Am I the only one that sees where this is going? the UNSC seems to represent everything that's Dark in  present day America plus the worst excesses of the British and Roman empire these can't be the good guys, can they? This is, after all, not an adults only franchise. Does anyone think 343 has some kind of didactic (see what I did there) responsibility

For me the only question is when does this storyline get a conclusion Halo 4 Halo 5 even Halo 6?

Welcome Dex!

I think that may have been more of a coincidence than anything else.. Plus, the name of the academy comes from a Roman warrior so that is why the officer is quoting him when speaking to the cadets. But who knows, I hope you get your answer.

I had a couple of other thoughts after watching the first episode 100 times.

Jericho VII was glassed by the Covenant, right? As in, Lasky's brother will probably die there.

The statue of the roman solider is holding an assault rifle. That's just plain awesome  :)

Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 06, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
I have been reading things about FUD the movie over at Waypoint. Everyone seems to wilfully missing how sinister and imperial the UNSC come across its no longer Greek history that is quoted its Roman, even the main character talks about brainwashing kids. Am I the only one that sees where this is going? the UNSC seems to represent everything that's Dark in  present day America plus the worst excesses of the British and Roman empire these can't be the good guys, can they? This is, after all, not an adults only franchise. Does anyone think 343 has some kind of didactic (see what I did there) responsibility

For me the only question is when does this storyline get a conclusion Halo 4 Halo 5 even Halo 6?

Welcome Dex!

I think that may have been more of a coincidence than anything else.. Plus, the name of the academy comes from a Roman warrior so that is why the officer is quoting him when speaking to the cadets. But who knows, I hope you get your answer.

I had a couple of other thoughts after watching the first episode 100 times.

Jericho VII was glassed by the Covenant, right? As in, Lasky's brother will probably die there.

The statue of the roman solider is holding an assault rifle. That's just plain awesome  :)

IIRC... (double checks Halopedia) Jericho VII was glassed in 2535. It's the planet John-117 watches get burned from orbit. So Laskey's brother is much more likely to get killed by Innies, given that there's some mention of Spartans being deployed there in 2525.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 06, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
I have been reading things about FUD the movie over at Waypoint. Everyone seems to wilfully missing how sinister and imperial the UNSC come across its no longer Greek history that is quoted its Roman, even the main character talks about brainwashing kids. Am I the only one that sees where this is going? the UNSC seems to represent everything that's Dark in  present day America plus the worst excesses of the British and Roman empire these can't be the good guys, can they? This is, after all, not an adults only franchise. Does anyone think 343 has some kind of didactic (see what I did there) responsibility

For me the only question is when does this storyline get a conclusion Halo 4 Halo 5 even Halo 6?

Welcome Dex!

I think that may have been more of a coincidence than anything else.. Plus, the name of the academy comes from a Roman warrior so that is why the officer is quoting him when speaking to the cadets. But who knows, I hope you get your answer.

I had a couple of other thoughts after watching the first episode 100 times.

Jericho VII was glassed by the Covenant, right? As in, Lasky's brother will probably die there.

The statue of the roman solider is holding an assault rifle. That's just plain awesome  :)

Thanks for reply and the welcome I still don't know how to do multiple quotes so I will thank you as well slightly live.
I have only in the last year started delving into the deep fiction, I have played the game from the beginning. I cant see this being a coincidence, Lasky seems to be a young man in the tradition of the Greek Socrates (take nothing for granted question everything) surrounded by neo Romans. The Highly familiar pan American state of the UNSC does nothing to make me think they are the good guys. In fact the situation of the insurrectionist's screams the good side of revolutionary America and speaks to a time when America were the plucky underdogs, the good guys. I cant see a studio based in a blue state doing this accidentally. Live, exactly right the Spartans are walking Deathstars At some point, for Chief to have his new "heroes journey" and become "A leader of men" these are the issues he must face down.

Sure there are the Promethean's and Storm Covenant to fight. But for Chief to be the "hero we need him to be" he must face the darkness at the centre of the UNSC if he does not he is no hero of mine. Come on Chief "are you a puppet or a Spartan?"
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on October 06, 2012, 07:01:32 PM
These are excellent points. You want to know my opinion, honestly? I think the whole "Ancient Evil" thing is an intentional double-entendre. I think that, yes, Didact can be viewed as an "ancient evil". But I think the true Ancient Evil is going to be humanity itself. This would tie in with some stuff from the "A Hero Awakens" vidoc, as well as Spark continually referring to humanity as the "ancient enemy". I'm hoping to save some more of my reasoning behind this for an article I'm working on. However, writing is going really, REALLY, slow with school and other aCtivitiEs.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 06, 2012, 07:16:32 PM
These are excellent points. You want to know my opinion, honestly? I think the whole "Ancient Evil" thing is an intentional double-entendre. I think that, yes, Didact can be viewed as an "ancient evil". But I think the true Ancient Evil is going to be humanity itself. This would tie in with some stuff from the "A Hero Awakens" vidoc, as well as Spark continually referring to humanity as the "ancient enemy". I'm hoping to save some more of my reasoning behind this for an article I'm working on. However, writing is going really, REALLY, slow with school and other aCtivitiEs.


Thank you thank you thank you. I am no longer alone. I don't want to ruin the story for anyone else so I will confine my opinions to this thread
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 06, 2012, 07:21:21 PM
So, I dont really see America as the Bad guy though... Like, who are we fighting right now, radical islamists? Yeah, I think we are still the good guys, granted, we have slipped from our former glory and our president might suck right now, but we are still the good guys... Unless you would like to make a point otherwise

My point is though, the UNSC might have made some immoral and jerk moves, like making the spartans and stuff. But that doesnt mean that they are really evil. In fact, the UNSC itself (the Navy side) is actually pretty honest and good, ONI are pretty much the ones being stupid; creating Spartans, creating elite civil war... Yada yada. And the fact that the Spartan program is exposed and people hate it shows the very fact that the UNSC is still the good guys, because there is still morality amongst them, however suppressed or fake it might be.

And ANOTHER thing is that the Innies are still terrorists... Its not like when America split off from England, cause when that happened, the "rebels" attacked the English military, and strategic points and forts and what not, as opposed to when terrorists blowing up in cities and stuff to kill a ton of civilians, even if the target was military.

That said, welcome Dex :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 06, 2012, 08:25:52 PM
So, I dont really see America as the Bad guy though... Like, who are we fighting right now, radical islamists? Yeah, I think we are still the good guys, granted, we have slipped from our former glory and our president might suck right now, but we are still the good guys... Unless you would like to make a point otherwise

My point is though, the UNSC might have made some immoral and jerk moves, like making the spartans and stuff. But that doesnt mean that they are really evil. In fact, the UNSC itself (the Navy side) is actually pretty honest and good, ONI are pretty much the ones being stupid; creating Spartans, creating elite civil war... Yada yada. And the fact that the Spartan program is exposed and people hate it shows the very fact that the UNSC is still the good guys, because there is still morality amongst them, however suppressed or fake it might be.

And ANOTHER thing is that the Innies are still terrorists... Its not like when America split off from England, cause when that happened, the "rebels" attacked the English military, and strategic points and forts and what not, as opposed to when terrorists blowing up in cities and stuff to kill a ton of civilians, even if the target was military.

That said, welcome Dex :P

Well I cant really answer that without being rude and political :-X, but I will try. So I am not going say America as a whole just ONI and the ONI controlled UNSC. I believe quite strongly parts of the ONI (cough) and even Mi 6 are rotten to the core. I am talking proxy wars and drone strikes, not all straight forward military ops. Unfortunately lots of people see us as the bad guys and have done since Ke##### got whacked  not just Islamic terrorists, including Brits French Americans Aussies and Canadians.

I suppose its because I am from the UK, I am not anti American and I don't hate my country  but there is a depth of understanding in the UK with terrorism and empire. (We are in no doubt here of what we have done or indeed what our friends have done) We have seen it all before and I see bad guys in the UNSC (halo). Plain as the nose on my face

Thanks for the welcome Tar  8)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 06, 2012, 08:36:57 PM
These are excellent points. You want to know my opinion, honestly? I think the whole "Ancient Evil" thing is an intentional double-entendre. I think that, yes, Didact can be viewed as an "ancient evil". But I think the true Ancient Evil is going to be humanity itself.

So are you suggesting that we will be shooting ONI agents and officers? The one thing the Halo games have not done thus far?

Or are you suggesting it will be a dialogue battle with Parangosky/Osman to dismantle ONI? Halo: the RPG :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 06, 2012, 08:50:15 PM
These are excellent points. You want to know my opinion, honestly? I think the whole "Ancient Evil" thing is an intentional double-entendre. I think that, yes, Didact can be viewed as an "ancient evil". But I think the true Ancient Evil is going to be humanity itself.

So are you suggesting that we will be shooting ONI agents and officers? The one thing the Halo games have not done thus far?

Or are you suggesting it will be a dialogue battle with Parangosky/Osman to dismantle ONI? Halo: the RPG :P

I cant see us shooting humans in Halo but there are options maybe a new generation of non human Spartans controlled by ONI. I like the way Babylon five handled it maybe some naval battles that could avoid all the nasty human on human stuff in Game. maybe even some ONI controlled flood ?

its a real delicate one no sensible Halo fan wants to give up the moral high ground we hold over most other FPS's
Human on human violence needs to be kept at a bare minimum. Spartan on Spartan death is ok as they don't look to human There is a solution there I just cant see it yet

But at some point Chief needs to Deal with ONI and no mate I don't think words will do. imo Osman needs to be a hero or martyr
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 07, 2012, 12:38:02 AM
On Halo Topic:
Meh, I dont really see the big deal where Master Chief has to "Deal with ONI"... Cause you have to remember that ONI is gonna be ruled by Osman, who has relatively high moral standards, and also would probably not order any attacks on someone like MC, especially since Osman is exSpartan, so she probably admires and looks up to the MC. So who would he be "Dealing" with anyways? Especially since they are pounded by internal pressure and scrutiny and new laws and regulations now that the revelation of the Spartan program has come out... So they arent really doing anything "Immoral" besides destabilizing the elites, which is something that, while I hate that they are doing it, actually does make sense from their point of view...

As for "corruption" itself being a bad guy, that could happen,
We might get in a tussle with a corrupt or immoral leader, Ie; when we get in a tussle with Del Rio in H4. But in that case its one guy, who will soon be replaced by an uncorrupted and moral leader; Ie; Laskey.
Or we might get sabotaged/betrayed/abandoned/screwed over/even fired upon by ONI/UNSC, but it wont be a big all out war against something.

If we were to ever fight other humans as a military force (like the covies or prometheans), than it would probably be the insurrectionists, and even then, probably only as a defense against one of their attacks.

Also, why do you think that Osman needs to be a hero or martyr? She is pretty far removed from any actual battles usually, and people at ONI, backstabbing and treacherous they might be, wouldnt try to murder the head of the department, and even then, they would be hard pressed to get away with it...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the UNSC and ONI, while they are certainly corrupt and have evil parts, they are still constrained by some levels of morality, and they arent nearly at the point where you are suggesting they are...



On the Political not-really-halo-but-at-the-same-time-kinda-psuedo-halo-but-real-life-nonetheless topic:

@Dex Why did Kennedy's assassination make most other countries start viewing America as the bad guy?

And every country will always have its rebels and anarchists, who are too stupid to understand the world and mearly hate those who have authority or power and blame them for everything. And those people will find reasons to fight, and they will find places where the government/authority/Group-that-holds-power has mistreated people, but those people are fools. So just as America has some power, people will distrust and despise them out of jealousy, though they might not know that that is the reason.

@Dex;  And name some actual big reasons why America is 'evil', I wont get offended, I just want to hear your POV
Also @Dex; All that said, what is this "depth of understanding of empire and terrorism" that the UK has?


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Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 07, 2012, 01:01:00 AM
I'm not sure FUD is the place to delve into real world geopolitical debates :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 07, 2012, 01:40:38 AM
hahaha, is that a suggestion? Or a veiled command from the staff? :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 07, 2012, 02:30:31 AM
Just a suggestion, in that politics tend to get heated. If we're going to argue about something, it should be Halo :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 07, 2012, 09:33:43 AM
I am not here to talk about Geo politics but I will say this depending on how 343 handle these issues will decide if I am fan or not. I have already been banned for life from halo Waypoint and my final comment ? the straw that broke the camels back was this when talking about the naming of longbow......

"I is bored all the Anglo Saxon references enough already i know i am Anglo Saxon other people know you are Anglo Saxon quit with the jingoistic homogeneity. Considering its on the planet "concord" any variant should be called Trebuchet to add some balance. in fact trebuchet would have been a better name all round once you learn to pronounce it, it feels so much better on the tongue. "

It merely a comment about balance and historical Knowledge. The reference Longbow goes back to the long war between France and England. Concord  brings to mind the great Anglo French supersonic passenger jet project. France and England have seen a lot of war but engineering projects like Concord are amongst our most admirable collaborations. I felt at the time it was Ignorant choice of name.
So I am not here to talk about Geo politics or History unless they are related. I will be happy to give Tar an answer if you repost in another forum. I feel then I have license to go of on the political historical tangent your question deserves but I don't mean to offend. I am sci fi nerd here to make Friends  :)


Roll on episode two....
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 07, 2012, 01:26:27 PM
Don't worry, I'm not calling you out specifically Dex, just want to make sure everyone feels welcome. Smart people can have some pretty varied political differences so I try not to emphasize that. Your points about the Halo universe are very valid, although I'm not really sure that much has to do with the developers deliberately pushing an "agenda" or anything similar. They just created a world where some of these things are pretty much rote. I do wonder how much of that background is essentially Nylund's contrivance, or how much was already set in stone by the Bungie guys.

I do know I wouldn't want to live in the Halo universe, as it seems like the Covenant war only led to a further concentration of power in the omnipresent military. Who wouldn't want to get away from the cameras and job screening and live life independently?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 07, 2012, 04:41:44 PM
Well I am not sure about pushing an agenda either. While some people might take the Americaness of the future military for granted those in Europe might find it arrogant or just plain ignorant and further out still, say in the middle east or china it would be seen as typical rampant Western self fellatio by fiction.

Myself, I still feel these guys are just bad guys. don't jump all over me   :-\ I suppose I am grateful halo fiction has not gone down a Michael Bay route  >:(, small mercies 8)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 07, 2012, 05:21:20 PM
Putting all that aside has anyone seen the shameful fuss that has been made over at Halo Waypoint over a woman officer being called "sir"? a lot of people think it was an accident a mistake one guy in particular says it not like that in the real military (U.S) and I am banned? probably a good idea (I would have scolded the ignorant little s%#)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Slightly Live on October 07, 2012, 05:25:37 PM
Putting all that aside has anyone seen the shameful fuss that has been made over at Halo Waypoint over a woman officer being called "sir"? a lot of people think it was an accident a mistake one guy in particular says it not like that in the real military (U.S) and I am banned? probably a good idea (I would have scolded the ignorant little s%#)
I think it's more to do with some folks being unfamiliar with military terminology, and of course with Halo being set in fictional world and far into the future, it may not always align with the realities of every modern country's military terms and workings.

I remember in Reach when Jorge called Halsey Ma'am, folks had a similar tizzy.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 07, 2012, 05:38:46 PM
Putting all that aside has anyone seen the shameful fuss that has been made over at Halo Waypoint over a woman officer being called "sir"? a lot of people think it was an accident a mistake one guy in particular says it not like that in the real military (U.S) and I am banned? probably a good idea (I would have scolded the ignorant little s%#)
I think it's more to do with some folks being unfamiliar with military terminology, and of course with Halo being set in fictional world and far into the future, it may not always align with the realities of every modern country's military terms and workings.

I remember in Reach when Jorge called Halsey Ma'am, folks had a similar tizzy.

I remember this it must have been on bungie.net as I did not use Waypoint at the time, was it because she was not military? never mind, its  just silly
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 07, 2012, 05:44:04 PM
I was confused watching Star Trek II that everyone was calling the female Saavik "Mister", but then I found out it's a naval title for anyone below Lieutenant.

But yeah there's always been this odd tension where people expect ranks and such to conform in the future, but get confused when authors use anachronistic military jargon (same movie, the director gave the USS Enterprise a ship's bell.)

...Yeah Dex so you know I'm going to do a lot of Star Trek-Halo cross-referencing :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 08, 2012, 01:42:27 AM
Don't worry, I'm not calling you out specifically Dex

Yeah, Don't worry, he was probably calling me out ;D

Well I am not sure about pushing an agenda either. While some people might take the Americaness of the future military for granted those in Europe might find it arrogant or just plain ignorant and further out still, say in the middle east or china it would be seen as typical rampant Western self fellatio by fiction.

I don't know, I feel like a lot of this is pretty much just cause of our language... Like, everything is gonna be English because we speak english, and so the terms are familiar. Like, Longbow is something that everyone can Identify with, because both parts of the word are normal english words... Like if we were to choose something from old chinese history, 90% of playing the game would just read it as "chinese word" and not be able to identify with the name at all... Thats an interesting point though.

And as for the UNSC being a very American military, its probably because right now, America has the most powerful military, and so it makes sense to model the most powerful military in the future after the one that is today. The second most powerful would probably be China, but if they model the military after china, nobody would be able to identify with it, and people would call it "unrealistic" and stuff... As for those in Europe, other than britain, the most powerful country would probably be russia or germany right? And both of those country's militaries have kind of a bad record, not exactly what you'd want to base your protagonists off of. As for britain's military, I really don't think that they are all that different from the U.S. are they?

...Yeah Dex so you know I'm going to do a lot of Star Trek-Halo cross-referencing :P

Do you? *not being sarcastic* I haven't notice that actually :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 08, 2012, 01:48:21 AM
I think it's also a matter of comfort. You can create a future that feels alien, but that might in fact impinge the reader's relationship. For instance, Henlein's "Starship Troopers" doesn't grip me (and the movie certainly didn't) because the world was so fascistic that I really didn't care.

Alternatively, Halo's definitely has problems, but the approach of its story couldn't be further from those themes. While ONI certainly practices utilitarianism, it's through the individual that the universe was saved (again and again).
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 08, 2012, 01:51:06 AM
Aye, thats what I meant, only you put it in much simpler and clearer terms :P

its why they speak english, and not any foreign languages, Or why the language hasnt actually changed at all since the present day; unrealistic yes, but relateable...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 08, 2012, 02:01:53 AM
Aye, thats what I meant, only you put it in much simpler and clearer terms :P

its why they speak english, and not any foreign languages, Or why the language hasnt actually changed at all since the present day; unrealistic yes, but relateable...

The language is something interesting, to me. We'll definitely have different slang, etc., but I'm not sure English is going to change... or at least not at the same rate. Go back 600 years and you're barely at the edge of being able to understand an "English" speaker. Go forward that much... and I don't think they'll be as much permutation. It's like accents--the only reason they're not fading away quickly is because it's hard to undo thousands of years of regionalism overnight. But the flat earth future means that a lot more of the culture wash is going to erase some distinctions that would arise over time.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 08, 2012, 02:22:35 AM
Ahh, yes, good point, but I thought of it as well and readied a response: :P

that is definitely the trend for society as it putters along right now. However, there are two things (that have happened in the Halo timeline) that might alter that trend.

1. Unified earth, then the transition to unified language. Assuming that at some point the 'official' language of the world becomes English, I think that it will be subject to the same shifts and changes that all languages go through when they get imposed upon another group of foreign-language speakers. A sort of melding and fusing will occur, both with grammar, and nouns as well. And this would occur fairly rapidly when instituted all over the planet, and, after a period of linguistic turmoil with all of the cultures mixing in their different pieces, it would eventually probably even out, with a more or less even language. It probably wouldn't be too much of a difference in the end, but still noticeably different.

2. When we colonize other planets the separation that will occur will speed up the rate of natural language change. Because of the relative "primitive" nature of our slipspace drives (in that they are fairly slow when we first start colonizing, and even up until the covy war)  and the Very primitive means for sending messages from system to system, it would essentially mimic the same properties as having countries that are separated by "impassible mountains" and having very inefficient means for communicating between them, and thus, would speed up the rate of language change. Especially with the need for many new words as new planets with new wildlife are colonized, and new technologies making their way into the daily life much faster.

Now, these might not change the language super drastically; we would still keep the same structure to our sentences, and similar words especially for articles and what not. but they would no doubt alter the language a fair bit from what it is in the twenty-first century
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 08, 2012, 05:21:44 PM

I don't know, I feel like a lot of this is pretty much just cause of our language... Like, everything is gonna be English because we speak english, and so the terms are familiar. Like, Longbow is something that everyone can Identify with, because both parts of the word are normal english words... Like if we were to choose something from old chinese history, 90% of playing the game would just read it as "chinese word" and not be able to identify with the name at all... Thats an interesting point though.

And as for the UNSC being a very American military, its probably because right now, America has the most powerful military, and so it makes sense to model the most powerful military in the future after the one that is today. The second most powerful would probably be China, but if they model the military after china, nobody would be able to identify with it, and people would call it "unrealistic" and stuff... As for those in Europe, other than britain, the most powerful country would probably be russia or germany right? And both of those country's militaries have kind of a bad record, not exactly what you'd want to base your protagonists off of. As for britain's military, I really don't think that they are all that different from the U.S. are they?

Well I was not suggesting a Chinese name in that particular instance I was suggesting Trebuchet for means a of balance at least as name for any map variants, longbow and longbow men were the source of the tradition of putting two fingers up to an enemy as a taunt. the English longbow men would wave there two fingers at the French to indicate there ability to still fire their arrows.

 Of course as you might be aware basing your protagonist of the US military, and being surprised it does not go down well (outside of the US) is funny. This would in a great many countries be worse than basing your protagonists of of the Russian army The US in its current form is extremely unpopular. like it or not (don't shoot the messenger) Being the only country ever to loose a nuke, commit ecocide (agent orange) ect ect this is not to say US reference's are off the table, they should just be handled with great deal more subtlety and self awareness than in Nylunds cannon in particular with it shallow pool of historical and mythological references . when he references American Indians (victims of genocide,Unsc Iroquois) and the Japanese (victims of a second unnecessary nuke, Shaw Fujikawa) he actually comes of more insulting that anything.

Also this appealing to lowest common denominator is a self fulling prophecy, When people say people will not understand foreign names this is common wisdom but I say its wrong, gutless sci fi by numbers there is nothing wrong with showing you have an education.

When you Look at the bridge crew off the USS enterprise and in particular the etymology of the names there it seems American Sci Fi has gone backwards. Less than 20 years after the end of ww2 they had a Jap and at the height of the cold war they had a Russian. When you compare this with Halo cannon Halo pales in comparison. Pales in comparison to a show that is nearly 50 years old.

As a long time fan of the game I cant hide my disappointment in what I have found in the deeper cannon. I really do hope my ideas outlined earlier in the thread prove to be true. Redemption is possible. However I really am here to make friends I just cant lie to do it
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 09, 2012, 04:02:42 AM

@Dex, I'm not really challenging you with the following statements, I actually want you to think through what I am saying, and reply/answer the questions with what you think without getting angry or anything. Cause I want to understand you, not just hate on you :P



Well I was not suggesting a Chinese name in that particular instance I was suggesting Trebuchet for means a of balance at least as name for any map variants, longbow and longbow men were the source of the tradition of putting two fingers up to an enemy as a taunt. the English longbow men would wave there two fingers at the French to indicate there ability to still fire their arrows.
Nobody thinks of that when they think of longbows though... They just think of a big bow... That's what Longbow means to 99% of everyone who will play halo... And that's being generous and saying that 100 thousand people will know this much about history... And of those 100k people, how many of those would get offended by the fact that the people who used this weapons created an expression to taunt their enemies...
I can also pretty much say for sure that 99% of weapons wielded throughout history can be associated with something that those who wielded the weapons created some sort of obscene gesture or taunt to do to their enemies... That's just how war works... Not something really to be offended by...

And Most people's experience with longbows is solely from video games, some of the more studious people will associate it with the British, the rest will probably say that it "came from the middle ages"...

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Of course as you might be aware basing your protagonist of the US military, and being surprised it does not go down well (outside of the US) is funny. This would in a great many countries be worse than basing your protagonists of of the Russian army The US in its current form is extremely unpopular.


Sales in US as of September 24, 2012:   7 million
Sales in The-Entire-Rest-Of-World as of September 24, 2012:    4.6 million

now assuming that EVERYONE in the ENTIRE rest of the world is so angry at the US that they are offended by any references to it, 4.6 million would be offended. Now if we model the military after the Russians, 7 million people will be confused as to why we are fighting for the "bad guys". Who would I rather risk alienating; 4.6 million, or 7 million.
  Except, I can Guarantee that the Russian (or other major military) switch thing would confuse most Americans, and a lot of people wouldn't buy the game because they think its weird. But I can also guarantee you that it will sell 4.6 million copies in the rest of the world with a military full of American references.

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Being the only country ever to loose a nuke
Also the only reason that other countries haven't you're welcome.

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they should just be handled with great deal more subtlety and self awareness than in Nylunds cannon in particular with it shallow pool of historical and mythological references . when he references American Indians (victims of genocide,Unsc Iroquois) and the Japanese (victims of a second unnecessary nuke, Shaw Fujikawa) he actually comes of more insulting that anything.

So, how many references are there to Anglo-Saxon Mythology? I can think of one, and that would be I think there was something called Beowulf...

Also... I REALLY don't see why saying that the most important inventions of human history was invented by a Japanese guy, is at all offensive to the Japanese... Cause it was called the Fujikawa drive cause that was the scientist that invented it...  Just because a culture has suffered some troubles doesn't mean that the people can't succeed ever again...

And also, I can see why some people would see it as offensive if the Iroquois was doing something disgraceful (like how sports teams and stuff poke fun at Native Americans, and grossly stereotype and distort them) but naming a powerful ship after a culture of people who were great warriors is offensive to them...

And why aren't the 70% of all Forerunner and Covenant names and titles which are references to Christian and Jewish culture at all offensive? Cause they have both been through a fair few of genocides and stuff. Mind you, the Christians have been on the other end a few times too.

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When you Look at the bridge crew off the USS enterprise and in particular the etymology of the names there it seems American Sci Fi has gone backwards. Less than 20 years after the end of ww2 they had a Jap and at the height of the cold war they had a Russian. When you compare this with Halo cannon Halo pales in comparison. Pales in comparison to a show that is nearly 50 years old.

Ok, so the crew of the Port Stanley
Just over 20 years after the fall of the Iron Curtain:
Vaz (russian)
Naomi (russian)

And also, while we are counting:
Lian Devereaux (French) [Although according to the wiki, with a cited page, it says that she is probably of asian decent, so that one counts for 2 non anglo-saxons]

which is 50% of the crew of the ship that doesn't have "Anglo-saxon" names (Osmin, Mal, and philips are all anglo-saxon)

Or how about forward unto dawn, Lets look at the names of the Cadets:
Lasky-Polish
Chen-Asian
Silva-Spanish
Tchakova-Eastern European, probably former USSR
Sullivan-Might be Anglo saxon

Oh, and how about the main character of the series? John --> Greek spelling of a Hebrew name... Not really anglo-saxon... Or American...

So, for a franchise that's diversity of names is disappointing….

And really, names probably wont keep their nationalities in the future. Especially with other planets and stuff and the expansion that will occur, names will almost totally lose connection to their original cultures and just blend together.



Bottom line is yeah, America has messed up a few times, but we've also done a whole lot of good, like introducing democracy and free trade back into the modern world. Making it a fairly normal cultural norm to have freedoms of speech and religion. Keeping the world from being taken over by germany twice. Keeping the world from being taken over by the Soviet Union. And much more that wouldn't exist without America. And you know what, if all of the people would stop whining about America being better than them and how they hate it, and actually got off their butts and moved here; then they could change America from the inside, and fix the bad parts, and thus is the beauty of the American system.



@Dex, Again, I'm not just pooping on you, I actually want to hear your thoughts… Lets all be peaceful :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 10, 2012, 01:31:46 PM
Tar, I had no idea you where/are a Karen Travis's fan? At least we agree on something  :o

also Aumerica! fuck yeah.   ;D
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 10, 2012, 03:15:48 PM
haha, actually, I'm not a big fan of the choices she makes like with turning halsey into an ogre, or just the overt bluntness that she conveys the points she is supposed to convey.

That said, In MY HUMBLE OPINION, Thursday War and Glasslands were better written than Cryptum and Primordium; because I was always kinda confused with what was happening and what was exactly going on when I was reading Greg's stuff... Idk...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 10, 2012, 05:38:12 PM
But you just quoted her I know, I'm a fan :D . Are you changing your mind? not really fair quoting her in defence of the Halo cannon and then say you're
 "not a big fan," ???
Are you a minor fan? :P Anyway this is a discussion for another thread.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 10, 2012, 05:41:57 PM
I really don't know what you mean actually, :P I've never read anything of hers accept Thursday War and Glasslands
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 10, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
Yeah Travis's bashing belongs in a dedicated Thursday War thread (of which I'm too lazy to check for at the moment.)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 11, 2012, 12:30:17 AM
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Nobody thinks of that when they think of longbows though... They just think of a big bow... That's what Longbow means to 99% of everyone who will play halo... And that's being generous and saying that 100 thousand people will know this much about history... And of those 100k people, how many of those would get offended by the fact that the people who used this weapons created an expression to taunt their enemies...
I can also pretty much say for sure that 99% of weapons wielded throughout history can be associated with something that those who wielded the weapons created some sort of obscene gesture or taunt to do to their enemies... That's just how war works... Not something really to be offended by...
And Most people's experience with longbows is solely from video games, some of the more studious people will associate it with the British, the rest will probably say that it "came from the middle ages"...


I was not offended so much as disappointed, you have consistently almost wilfully missed the point here, the planet is called Concord.  Definition:  unity, harmony; Synonyms:  accord, agreement, friendship, goodwill, peace, serenity, understanding) The map is called longbow an English/welsh weapon used against the French.  I was suggesting that the map was called Trebuchet (a French style of siege weapon) and the variant be called longbow. This would fit better with the name Concord which as a name in it self suggests harmony.  This makes etymological sense and perfect historical sense the, symmetry is beautiful. Trebuchet, Concord, Longbow.

Fun Fact No 1; Britain was formed in 1706 the Middle Ages are the Middle ages


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Sales in US as of September 24, 2012:   7 million. Sales in The-Entire-Rest-Of-World as of September 24, 2012:    4.6 millionnow assuming that EVERYONE in the ENTIRE rest of the world is so angry at the US that they are offended by any references to it, 4.6 million would be offended. Now if we model the military after the Russians, 7 million people will be confused as to why we are fighting for the "bad guys". Who would I rather risk alienating; 4.6 million, or 7 million.
  Except, I can Guarantee that the Russian (or other major military) switch thing would confuse most Americans, and a lot of people wouldn't buy the game because they think its weird. But I can also guarantee you that it will sell 4.6 million copies in the rest of the world with a military full of American references.


Three points here, first you are right modelling on the Russian Military would be lunacy no one suggested it.
 
Second 4.6 millon copies world wide, Four point six in the rest of the world? thanks for making my point for me in a quite surprising way.

Lastly, did you say American’s were easily confused? Why?


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Being the only country ever to loose a nuke
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Also the only reason that other countries haven't you're welcome.

Does anyone else have a problem with this?




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So, how many references are there to Anglo-Saxon Mythology? I can think of one, and that would be I think there was something called Beowulf...

Also... I REALLY don't see why saying that the most important inventions of human history was invented by a Japanese guy, is at all offensive to the Japanese... Cause it was called the Fujikawa drive cause that was the scientist that invented it...  Just because a culture has suffered some troubles doesn't mean that the people can't succeed ever again...

And also, I can see why some people would see it as offensive if the Iroquois was doing something disgraceful (like how sports teams and stuff poke fun at Native Americans, and grossly stereotype and distort them) but naming a powerful ship after a culture of people who were great warriors is offensive to them...
I find my self in broad agreement with you here I don’t know much about mascots unsc Irauqoi does sound a lot better. However The adage goes,
“ War is gods way of teaching American’s geography.” if I were the Author I would be going out of my way to disprove that theory. Not add weight to it. 


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And why aren't the 70% of all Forerunner and Covenant names and titles which are references to Christian and Jewish culture at all offensive? Cause they have both been through a fair few of genocides and stuff. Mind you, the Christians have been on the other end a few times too.

You should have said nothing here

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Or how about forward unto dawn, Lets look at the names of the Cadets:
Lasky-Polish
Chen-Asian
Silva-Spanish
Tchakova-Eastern European, probably former USSR
Sullivan-Might be Anglo saxon

Four Ellis island rejects and a go f%k yourself minority high five?  on the other hand I am looking forward to the next one

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Oh, and how about the main character of the series? John --> Greek spelling of a Hebrew name... Not really anglo-saxon... Or American...

Fun fact No 2; John is the most popular English Anglo Saxon name (because of its root not despite it)
No one is suggesting changing it.




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Bottom line is yeah, America has messed up a few times, but we've also done a whole lot of good, like introducing democracy and free trade back into the modern world. Making it a fairly normal cultural norm to have freedoms of speech and religion. Keeping the world from being taken over by germany twice. Keeping the world from being taken over by the Soviet Union. And much more that wouldn't exist without America. And you know what, if all of the people would stop whining about America being better than them and how they hate it, and actually got off their butts and moved here; then they could change America from the inside, and fix the bad parts, and thus is the beauty of the American system.

This paragraph is a great, not one sided or weird at all, And certainly not disturbing

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@Dex, Again, I'm not just pooping on you, I actually want to hear your thoughts… Lets all be peaceful :P
This is disingenuous you did mean to poop on me but pooped on yourself :-*

But I will forgive you, before you reply tell me how many lights can you see?   
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 11, 2012, 01:14:48 AM
HEY HEY! :D you responded in a most civil manner :D I like you now, even though we disagree on some things ;)
By the way, before I start, when you quote stuff, if you want to do multiple quotes from different people, use (quote author=THE AUTHOR) and it'll work *replace () with [] :D

"Two"


Quote from: Dex
Fun Fact No 1; Britain was formed in 1706 the Middle Ages are the Middle ages
Well... I said, "British" people... In reference to people living in what is now called Britain;

Quote from: Wikipedia, first line of "britons"
The Britons (sometimes Brythons or British) were the Celtic people culturally dominating Great Britain from the British Iron Age until the Early Middle Ages.[1]
Yeap, I think although the British Kingdom didn't arise until the 1700's its safe to refer to people who live in "Britannia" (as it was named in Latin the First Century ) as the "British" especially given the fact that if you translate "Britannia" it would translate into "Britain"...


Quote from: Dex
first you are right modelling on the Russian Military would be lunacy no one suggested it.
I was suggesting it as a possible alternative model to the American Military; I was looking at strong militaries in recent history, and I came up with: AMERICA at the top (Since its conception), China (Now), Russia (Cold War), Germany (WW1+2)


Quote from: dex
Second 4.6 millon copies world wide, Four point six in the rest of the world? thanks for making my point for me in a quite surprising way.
...I dont understand the math to go from "7 million US -- 4.6 million in rest of world" to that...


Quote from: Dex
Lastly, did you say American’s were easily confused? Why?
Cause many if not most Americans are idiots... Duhh... :P I'm not so blind that I cannot see the faults in my country :D


Quote from: Dex
Quote from: Tar
Quote from: Dex
Being the only country ever to loose a nuke
Also the only reason that other countries haven't you're welcome.
Does anyone else have a problem with this?
Do You have a problem with it?
Would you rather have other countries shoot nukes as well? Would you rather Russia have launched its nukes during the cold war? Or would you rather have Iran or North Korea shoot theirs off right now? You know; just to make things fair, cause its kinda dumb that America is the only one who gets to have launched a nuke.
Or maybe you are saying that you would have rather had Germany or Japan to have been the ones to make the first atom bomb, and loose it on the world?...


Quote from: Dex
Quote from: Tar
Also... I REALLY don't see why saying that the most important inventions of human history was invented by a Japanese guy, is at all offensive to the Japanese... Cause it was called the Fujikawa drive cause that was the scientist that invented it...  Just because a culture has suffered some troubles doesn't mean that the people can't succeed ever again...
Reply From Dex:
 
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(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/160x/1031.jpg) :P


Quote from: Dex
I don’t know much about mascots
Ah, No matter, I explain :) :    One of the biggest Issues (that I've heard of, at least) that Native Americans have with various organizations using the names of Native American tribes/cultures/warriors for stuff is when sports teams use a mascot that is like "Braves" or "Chiefs" or "Reds" or whatever (those happen to be professional teams; the issue is mainly with college teams though) and then that mascot does stuff that is very stereotypical and demeaning and insulting to the culture.


Quote from: Dex
“ War is gods way of teaching American’s geography.” if I were the Author I would be going out of my way to disprove that theory. Not add weight to it. 
Meh, I guess that makes sense, I don't totally agree with the sentiment, but you aren't "wrong" either :P


Quote from: Tar
Quote from: Dex
And why aren't the 70% of all Forerunner and Covenant names and titles which are references to Christian and Jewish culture at all offensive? Cause they have both been through a fair few of genocides and stuff. Mind you, the Christians have been on the other end a few times too.
You should have said nothing here
Would still like a legit response to my point nonetheless; you were saying that using the names from different cultures like Japan and Native America was offensive because they had gone through some form of genocide, and I say a lot of the stuff is a reference to jewish mythology (Ark, covenant, flood, etc) and the jews have been genocided more than anyone else ever...


Quote from: Dex
Quote from: TAR
Oh, and how about the main character of the series? John --> Greek spelling of a Hebrew name... Not really anglo-saxon... Or American...
Fun fact No 2; John is the most popular English Anglo Saxon name (because of its root not despite it)
No one is suggesting changing it.

True, although that might just be cause they spell it differently in every language, its actually a super popular name in a bunch of different cultures, just spelled/pronounced a little funky


Quote from: Dex
This paragraph is a great, not one sided or weird at all, And certainly not disturbing
:D :D :P


Quote from: Dex
This is disingenuous you did mean to poop on me but pooped on yourself
But I will forgive you, before you reply tell me how many lights can you see?   
I don't get these jokes... Also the first line grammer sounds like you are talking with a russian accent :P

And in answer to your second question:
Quote from: Me at top of this post, before I answered
"Two"
That is how many lights are in the room I am in... I still don't get the joke...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 11, 2012, 02:11:05 AM
Are you sure there aren't... four lights?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 11, 2012, 02:18:38 AM
:P haha, whaaa?

I thought you might be referencing something, so I googled the quote "are you sure there aren't... Four lights?" and I got this:
http://lostcarolinian.blogspot.com/2008/06/its-street-in-strange-world-maybe-its.html

:D Weird
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 12, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
Sorry Tar can't continue with that discussion at the Mo. Hows about that new episode? It's getting interesting. Did anyone spot Frankie fetish ;) with his big stick ?  :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 12, 2012, 12:28:58 PM
Frankie cameo at 5:03, hee hee :)

Episode went basically how I'd expect. I still think the best element they've shown so far is actually the conversion of the college into Corbulo. Some nice flybys and some smart set extensions.

Is it just me, or is that definitely Classic Mk VI chief in the cryotube? Still hoping for some reconciliation on that point...

Edit; I don't care what people say about the props, I think the MA5 just looks sweet in motion, and to me is the epitomization of functional throwback tech married with futuristic design.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 12, 2012, 04:28:05 PM
Frankie was awesome :D

Yeah, I noticed the armor too, unfortunately its definately the new version; i stopped the video and did a comprehensive analysis :P The helmet looks kinda more like the Classic, it seemed like it had a wider visor and stuff. But after a little bit of compairison; the chest piece is clearly the new version, beyond a doubt :\

MA5 looked awesome, except I didnt like how Silva was firing from the hip while running, and being extremely accurate and hitting every target in one hit...

EDIT: After further analysis, the designs on the visor in FUD are clearly the same as the designs from the mkVIg2; so it seems like the helmet is also the new version :\
But in a way; it just shows how close the new design of the MkVI actually looks to the original, if we are having trouble telling them apart...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 13, 2012, 12:12:21 AM
Frankie cameo at 5:03, hee hee :)

I guess that was his birfday gift to himself   :D
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DexHaven on October 15, 2012, 03:22:34 PM
50 shades of Frankie. They should release an action figure for him and call it the Spanky Frankie Fetish doll
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 15, 2012, 04:57:26 PM
Don't wanna give the crazies any more ideas... I'm actually surprised at how soon the Covenant are going to attack, will be interesting how much time the cadets are "alone" before Chief shows up.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 15, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
how soon? It is gonna episode 3 of 4 episodes...

But my bet would be the covenant start to invade about a third of the way into the show, then the cadets are alone for the whole episode, then the chief shows up says "follow me" or whatever, and then the episode cuts
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 15, 2012, 05:28:15 PM
Just a quick thought...

I thought it would be awesome if the guy that does the multiplayer voice overs (killing spree, game over, flag captured, etc) also did the exercise call outs during the initial exercise in episode 1. Oh well.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 15, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
I was really dissapointed when that didnt happen to be honest
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on October 15, 2012, 07:46:03 PM
I'm still hoping we see him show up as a character in Spartan Ops.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Slightly Live on October 16, 2012, 05:24:31 AM
Hah. Nope.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Slightly Live on October 16, 2012, 05:29:12 AM
Not going to happen.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 16, 2012, 03:35:17 PM
Hah. Nope.
Not going to happen.
^Debby Downer over here, geez
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 19, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
Fair amount going on in this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbBYG77VeCE&feature=plcp

The bodies falling out of the sky from the tether was a pretty impressive way to make an impression (ba-dum-kish), and reminded me of 'Second Sunrise over New Mombasa' from the Graphic Novel.

Elites look more like their storm incarnations than classic ones, sigh.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Menachite on October 19, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
Fair amount going on in this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbBYG77VeCE&feature=plcp

The bodies falling out of the sky from the tether was a pretty impressive way to make an impression (ba-dum-kish), and reminded me of 'Second Sunrise over New Mombasa' from the Graphic Novel.

Elites look more like their storm incarnations than classic ones, sigh.


Why can't the Covenant use different armour designs? The UNSC have like 3 different BDUs in use during the war.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on October 19, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
Damn.  Teenagers falling from the sky to their deaths is some serious stuff.  Glad they're not making it too childish.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 19, 2012, 02:22:10 PM
Fair amount going on in this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbBYG77VeCE&feature=plcp

The bodies falling out of the sky from the tether was a pretty impressive way to make an impression (ba-dum-kish), and reminded me of 'Second Sunrise over New Mombasa' from the Graphic Novel.

Elites look more like their storm incarnations than classic ones, sigh.


Why can't the Covenant use different armour designs? The UNSC have like 3 different BDUs in use during the war.

Because a fictional world can't operate like the real world without feeling like inconsistent fiction, to a degree.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 20, 2012, 02:45:03 AM
WOAH CORTANA GOIN CRAZY! *just started the ep

AAWESOME!!!! THIS EPISODE WAS AWESOME!!!!

Dave, stop whining; even though you are right; that could have just been the Reach variant for the spec ops/stealth elite.

EDIT; upon re-watching, it actually makes a bit more sense that it would be spec ops; cause in the end of the trailer in the "up next on FUD" section, they show fights with like 6 different elites; all wearing the same armor. Which makes more sense that it was a spec ops or stealth team; rather than a squad of zealots...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 22, 2012, 02:18:48 AM
RoosterTeeth has a mid-season trailer with a *few* new scenes of Chief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP7hNziM2Dk&feature=g-u-u
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 22, 2012, 05:11:46 PM
RoosterTeeth has a mid-season trailer with a *few* new scenes of Chief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP7hNziM2Dk&feature=g-u-u

Quote from: Master Chief
Can you drive a warthog?
If he is asking a marine this question and considering letting him drive, this obviously occurs before Reach does
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 23, 2012, 12:27:27 PM
Yeah, NPC driving must have gotten worse as the Human-Covenant war progressed...

anyone have any thoughts about how the full-length version is going to be approached? I like the Cortana moments at the beginning of the episode, but I feel like if I were watching it like a movie they would feel out of place; front-loading them would prolly feel awkward too.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 23, 2012, 01:17:40 PM
Depending on how the last episode ends, they could start them there I suppose.

It would work so far except for the end of the first cortana part because it leads into lasky's story. But other than that, we see cortana sending the distress signal out in episode 1, then her thinking about what chief is dreaming about in ep 2, then her rampancy escalating in ep3.... And presumably the last episode will be her waking up chief.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 24, 2012, 01:39:52 PM
yeah, I think he is right; or the extended edition will contain more scenes with older laskey, and how they recieve the message and then decide to go and find him or whatever...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 24, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
I heard (somewhere, can't remember now) that Lasky is credited with a VO in FUD as well as the older Lasky... so I guess does that mean Old Lasky was dubbed over by Game Lasky?

(And it is Lasky. That just looks so odd, feel like it should have an e.)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on October 26, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
Ep 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ_xn889cSk&feature=plcp

Chief sounds entirely too old.

I don't care about augmentations or what not.  He's younger than the cadets.  Also his older voice is pretty smooth, not "smoke 3 packs every day" like it is in the episode.

Also, his movements don't convey the weight of his armor enough, imo.  They feel too light and not uh...robotic enough.

In a way, the way he moves in games is almost more realistic just because when you're moving all that armor, as the books say, no movement is on accident, not to mention they're trained to be as efficient and robotic as possible. 

Doesn't help that it looks plastic.

I am happy however that the cheesiest part of the series thus far is simply chief saying "you can call me master chief".  I feel something more official like "Master chief petty officer spartan-117" or something would've been slightly more fitting.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 26, 2012, 12:41:22 PM
I could have sworn the Master Chief wasn't the Master Chief until later, but I can't recall from TFoR and Halopedia isn't helping.

The armor looks better on screen than it did in photos, unsurprisingly, but you're right that there's still something off about it. I dunno if we're ever going to get something like what the books described though--the hulking, pearlescent MkV armor would be hell to shoot because of the specular highlights, reflections, and light spillage in green screen, for example.

Certainly killed off a lot of people this ep. While I appreciated the matter of factness about some of it, I still felt like the entire invasion needed time to breath--they apparently go from under attack to last survivors on the planet in the space of cowering in the armory.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on October 26, 2012, 04:26:41 PM
I could have sworn the Master Chief wasn't the Master Chief until later, but I can't recall from TFoR and Halopedia isn't helping.

The armor looks better on screen than it did in photos, unsurprisingly, but you're right that there's still something off about it. I dunno if we're ever going to get something like what the books described though--the hulking, pearlescent MkV armor would be hell to shoot because of the specular highlights, reflections, and light spillage in green screen, for example.

CG is the only way to do justice to a Spartan.

And wasn't he promoted shortly before Red Flag? Either that or around the time of the Sigma campaign. I'm having a hard time recalling as well... That would seem like a big flub if he asked them to call him that before he was officially promoted.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 26, 2012, 04:47:42 PM
I could have sworn the Master Chief wasn't the Master Chief until later, but I can't recall from TFoR and Halopedia isn't helping.

The armor looks better on screen than it did in photos, unsurprisingly, but you're right that there's still something off about it. I dunno if we're ever going to get something like what the books described though--the hulking, pearlescent MkV armor would be hell to shoot because of the specular highlights, reflections, and light spillage in green screen, for example.

Certainly killed off a lot of people this ep. While I appreciated the matter of factness about some of it, I still felt like the entire invasion needed time to breath--they apparently go from under attack to last survivors on the planet in the space of cowering in the armory.

AAIIGGH! The episode was sooo amazing. Very intense, I loved it. And I'm disappointment that pretty much all you guys have done is complain :(  regardless of little nitpicky things, the episode was still awesome. Why can't you guys just enjoy things??!?

I noticed the thing about MC shouldn't be called MC at that point; but you can't really complain cause its something they did for the benifit of the Ignorant masses. It would have been nice if he had said "Master chief petty officer spartan-117" and then said "but you can call me Master Chief" or something.
Although that raises the question, the Spartan program was still classified at that point, so would the chief have even been allowed to say his full title? Thus implying the existence of 116 other Spartans? Makes you think



As to how fast the battle took place; it clearly didn't start right at the beginning of that episode:
If the invasion had only lasted for those 20 minutes, than there would be no spartans there; unless they just so happened to already be on the planet. Unlikely. And any distress call from the planet at that point in the war would have taken a while to reach another planet, and an even longer time to marshal some forces (the spartans) and return to the planet; a lot longer than those twenty minutes.

It seems to me that the covenant had already been attacking for at least a day on the other parts of that planet (at the beginning of episode three, all the lights in the facility are flashing red; which would mean that something big is wrong). Senior staff seems to have known about the attack, In a recent Podtacular episode; Post, you said that it looked like the general was like stationing troops and stuff, preparing for battle. (btw, Post on that topic; the thing that was scouting around cloaked early on in the show, you guys said it was a drop pod... It was clearly a phantom. The drop pods from H4 that you refer too have 3 engines, the Phantom the only thing with the right kind of a engine trail.)

The reason for the cadets not knowing could be a combination of the covenant knocking out coms and sensors and such (ala Reach) and the fact that the existance of the Covenant was still clasified, and that they don't really have the rigid infrastructure and rules on how to deal with these things yet, since its still pretty early on in the war.



Also I Liked the fact that the jackles used needle rifles (so much better than the carbine, hands down) and that chief's pistol is a boss weapon just like in CE :D

And the chief was Amazing for live action, stop whining cause its not a CG thing, and just be greatful at how good it looked in Live action, Geez. I thought he did a great job of emulating the way chief walks in game, like how his feet moved and stuff.

You also picked the stupidest things to complain about too; how bout how dumb it is that silva picks up an alien weapon; figures out how to fire it, and on the second shot, gets a head shot on a jackal from pretty far away in the dark. while the jackal; who has used these weapons for his profession for a good while, has a similar weapon only that has homing rounds, amazing eyesight, and a headset designed to help him be awesome at sniping and being accurate, can get one shot off on her... Thats something that can be complained about
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on October 26, 2012, 08:31:45 PM
I also find it funny how the narnia chick seems to be the worst actor of the bunch, imo.  She just isn't conveying the fear the others are. 
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on October 27, 2012, 01:33:15 AM
Excuse me while I have a nerdgasm while simultaneously doing an impersonation of Lasky...

CCCCCCHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1351302199710602408.jpg)

Now, that being said, I'm with Tar; if you're going to nitpick the minor things that are wrong with Chief, you're just going to ruin the experience of watching the closest thing to a Halo movie that we have.

(http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1351302425317400708.jpg)

I think that 343i wanted to have the Chief refer to himself as "Master Chief" for the newcomers to the games and fiction, just to make sure they knew exactly who he was. Although I do agree with Post that the best way to portray him to match the novels as closely as possible would be through CGI, it would go against trying to make him seem human. As Sully said "we're following a robot", which I thought was also a call out to new players or those that always thought he was a robot or cyborg.

You guys are also basing the whole rank thing off of TFoR, where he was promoted on Reach right before the invasion, which, if you didn't already know was pretty much cast aside by Bungie when they made Halo: Reach, or at least the events of the invasion and those just prior to. Sadly, we are just going to have to move on, unless 343i where to re-make Reach to more closely match the events of TFoR  ;)

There was also one thing you guys didn't point out that they did get right; Chief didn't have the shielding technology as apparent when he steps in front of Sully to prevent the second needle round from hitting him.

I also thought that "narnia" chick did convey fear, just not in the same way the others were, as Wazooty said. She seemed to be in shock and not able to process what to do next as the others were, not to mention her crying and doubting that they were going to make it. I believe she conveyed fear the best out of the bunch, just not from a solider's standpoint.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on October 27, 2012, 02:30:10 AM
To me, her "shocked" face is the exact same face she's had on the entire rest of the series.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 28, 2012, 01:50:53 PM
Word, to everything that six said. Except I don't think we should be that quick to toss aside Tfor... I think its better to leave it as  a canon inconsistancy :P
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 28, 2012, 03:55:23 PM
I don't see being critical of a work to be ruining it--I certainly don't get hung up on issues like HBO'ers do about Traviss' novels, for instance. But I do like comparing and contrasting media and thinking about the actual mechanics, as well as the surface details. I think you'll be hearing more about me pontificating on that note in a coming podcast :)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 28, 2012, 09:15:46 PM
Yeah, but if you are critical the first time through it does ruin it, cause you are refusing to suspend belief to enjoy the show... Also, saying the show was good overall and then being critical about some stuff is one thing, but JUST whining about it is obnoxious, thats really my only problem...

Quote from: Six
There was also one thing you guys didn't point out that they did get right; Chief didn't have the shielding technology as apparent when he steps in front of Sully to prevent the second needle round from hitting him.
You know, the other thing I liked a lot about that scene was just seeing how effective the Mjolnir armor actually was without the shielding. Cause in-Game, as soon as your shielding is out; you're pretty much screwed. Which always felt odd to me since the armor was originally designed to be able to take shots directly. So it was nice to see the armor itself actually doing its job and stuff.    Also, the effect when the needler rounds shatter on the armor gave me a total nerdgasm...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 29, 2012, 01:45:01 AM
Suspension of disbelief doesn't exist in my worldview  8)

I do wonder exactly how effective the armor is against projectiles, though. Come to think of it, we see plasma damage, but not any fire against Separatists (unless I'm forgetting a moment from TFoR, but I don't believe we are.)

I do think the slow-mo detracts from the suspension of disbelief element, however, since it's an editing move that has no real-world equivalent. I might be in the minority, but I really like scenes that go by really fast and make you wanna go back and rewatch to see how cool it was... Look forward to FUD: The Fuchs Cut :P

Also, anyone have guesses on what's going to be going on in the final ep besides forest 'hog trench run?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on October 29, 2012, 07:13:32 AM
We'll see kelly with no helmet on.  Also hear her speak.  In one of the pics of kelly it looked like she was in standard military outfit...as in not mjolnir.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 29, 2012, 05:23:30 PM
 Dave, The slow scenes are what makes the "super fast" scenes seem "super fast" and good.
And the real world equivalent would be tons of adrenaline rushing through yo body
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on October 29, 2012, 05:46:14 PM
Dave, The slow scenes are what makes the "super fast" scenes seem "super fast" and good.
And the real world equivalent would be tons of adrenaline rushing through yo body

...Except no one perceives themselves in 240fps and third person :P

Anything that's not going on in the scene and is done after the fact is detracting from what they're trying to relay on screen for me, because I'm more conscious of the editing (which should usually be invisible when done right) as opposed to the character's actions.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on October 29, 2012, 07:54:52 PM
Dave, The slow scenes are what makes the "super fast" scenes seem "super fast" and good.
And the real world equivalent would be tons of adrenaline rushing through yo body

Or Spartan time. Where applicable.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on November 02, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
Episode 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gULQ5GFIkcA&feature=plcp

So do all spartan-IIs have giant, captivating eyes or something?

I like the robotic synchronized emotionless feel the spartans gave off in the pelican.  It's one thing to act like that when they're in a giant "robot" suit, it's another when you see humans themselves doing it...makes the extent of their training a lot more real and apparent.  I mean, reading about it in the books you know the S-IIs are some cold hard motherplunkers, but it's not as easy to see the massive difference between them and normal people when they're the main characters of the entire book.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on November 02, 2012, 11:50:18 AM
So... good gravy a lot of those scenes would have been better if they had just stopped slowing everything down. Higher frame rates does not equal more pathos, people!

I guess I should have seen Lasky's squeeze getting killed as an option, but it was fairly well handled, and I think they did a decent job of making him distraught without weakening his character to a sad sack of whiny crud :P

Anyone know what Kelly's helmet is? Looks like a variation the Grenadier, but sort of like Air Assault as well. Gah, this only makes the armor issue even worse, since they are wearing what looks much more like Reach era Mk V.

I like that the Spartan they got to take off their helmet kind of looks more their age (which she should be)... but why was it treated like some big shock again? I got bad flashbacks to "The Babysitter"'s groan-inducing "Samus is a woman!" thing. Wish they'd started with Fred instead, avoided that trope.

Overall, I think FUD lived up to its promise, aside from a few structural weaknesses and some mediocre editing choices I think. I was really happy they gave us that old Lasky moment--really gave us a good indication of how much the character had changed in the time between the periods. I'd really love those dog tags to be in the game as a nice little nod.

(Also, sleeping in cryo with clothes issue again? At this point it's not a woman in the freezer so I don't seen any rating issue with them showing it--so I guess our explanations are either that it's something to help Lasky with his condition, freezer burn being preferable to aggravating his condition, or that now they're just going to have cryo tech sophisticated enough that it's not necessary.)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Wazooty on November 02, 2012, 12:11:15 PM
I don't think they were going to make two whole new MK IV suits just for a couple minute scene in which most of the time the details of their armor is obscured.  I said this before, but I'm willing to bet they just reused deliver hope armor.   You can tell just how awkwardly large kellys suit was if you pay close attention. 

And I don't think Kelly being a girl was really the surprise they were going for, rather, how young they were.  Younger than the cadets themselves.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on November 02, 2012, 12:45:02 PM
I don't think they were going to make two whole new MK IV suits just for a couple minute scene in which most of the time the details of their armor is obscured.  I said this before, but I'm willing to bet they just reused deliver hope armor.   You can tell just how awkwardly large kellys suit was if you pay close attention. 

And I don't think Kelly being a girl was really the surprise they were going for, rather, how young they were.  Younger than the cadets themselves.

Yeah, I wanted to go back and look at Deliver Hope and see if her helmet was just a kitbash from the stock AA helmet Kat had on. Still introducing awkward consistency issues though.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on November 02, 2012, 02:51:20 PM
I have to agree with Dave on this one. If you go slow-mo for every single explosion, they lose their impact a lot.

That said, I am in complete awe right now. This film, and what I've seen of Halo 4 so far, have literally been the culmination of my entire history with Halo. Quite literally, damn near everything I've wanted to see since the beginning of my time with Halo has come to fruition. Live action Halo movie, seeing Fred and Kelly, having parts from The Fall of Reach literally brought to life in front of me, getting an awesome sequence of Chief killing a hunter in a more unique way than shooting it in the back, finally getting to see an individual Lekgolo!

Seriously, that moment where Chief blew up the Hunter was just a cool little CG sequence, but it meant a lot more to me than that. That's something that's been floating around in my mind's eye for a long time now, and I'm glad we finally have more things showing that they're a colony of worms, rather than one singular creature.

Not only that, but I think Chyler's death scene topped some of the best ones I've seen in other movies. Really emotional, and it didn't feel overly gimmicky. Like, you could feel all the emotions Tom was, his reaction was so believable, I was certainly moved to tears.

Additionally, the way they've handled the Spartans outside of their suits was phenomenal. I really like what they're doing with the eyes. It started with Birth of a Spartan, and I didn't really get it at the time. But if they actually stick with this, it could become an excellent bit of symbolism of the dehumanizing of the Spartans to become something more inhuman. That's a great way to show it, and I don't feel it betrays the fiction at all. That's something that finally enhances it. They were perfectly pale, IMO. Perfectly awkward. Everything about the handling of the Spartans in this episode was amazing. The only thing I think would have been better in that final scene was if when Chief handed Lasky the chunk of Hunter plating, he said "this is what she died for". That, to me, would have made the episode absolutely perfect. If they had done that, that line would have damn near erased all other complaints I had against the show. Not only does it show the sacrifices that people will have to make in order to defeat the Covenant, and not only does it show that Chief actually cares about how Lasky and wants to comfort him in a way that he thinks he would want to be comforted, but it speaks SO strongly to the moment when Chief is talking to Mendez about the Spartans who died during the augmentation process. That... that reference would have been too much for me to handle, had they done they. Missed opportunity.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on November 02, 2012, 04:52:11 PM
I think my emotional state right now is best described by "Exactly what post just said"

Oh my goodness, the lekgolo worm scene was awesome! I never even thought that some worms might be able to survive the death of the hunter, man, Hunters could be way scarier...

Also, they nailed everything with those spartans. Wow...

I have no words...

Quote from: Dave
I like that the Spartan they got to take off their helmet kind of looks more their age (which she should be)... but why was it treated like some big shock again? I got bad flashbacks to "The Babysitter"'s groan-inducing "Samus is a woman!" thing. Wish they'd started with Fred instead, avoided that trope.

Not really... I mean, he has been calling her "kelly" the whole show... We run into her on the outside of the pelican, and she says something to chief in what is Clearly a woman's voice... Your argument doesnt really have much weight, man...
Waz is right, I'm pretty sure the impact they were goin for was age

Quote from: That Whiner ;)
Anyone know what Kelly's helmet is? Looks like a variation the Grenadier, but sort of like Air Assault as well. Gah, this only makes the armor issue even worse, since they are wearing what looks much more like Reach era Mk V.

I don't think it makes the armor issue worse as much as it just near Completely invalidates your opinion and arguments... Come over to the dark side dave; we have the ability to enjoy things ;) its great
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on November 02, 2012, 05:07:54 PM
Also, I have to say, the scene right after the Chief kills the hunter, and he has the glowing orange blood all over him, and the throwback to the original halo theme comes in... Was the greatest scene ever...
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on November 02, 2012, 05:52:08 PM
I don't think it makes the armor issue worse as much as it just near Completely invalidates your opinion and arguments... Come over to the dark side dave; we have the ability to enjoy things ;) its great

I laughed.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Sixftunder on November 03, 2012, 02:10:00 AM
I like how they included BB in at the very end. I wonder if his line was meant to portray his brand of humor represented in the books, or if he was just asking "would you like me to play it again?" I thought he was trying to say "would you like me to  play it for the 100th frriggin time?" :p
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on November 03, 2012, 02:33:54 AM
I like how they included BB in at the very end. I wonder if his line was meant to portray his brand of humor represented in the books, or if he was just asking "would you like me to play it again?" I thought he was trying to say "would you like me to  play it for the 100th frriggin time?" :p

What makes you think it's BB?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Tar Alacrin on November 03, 2012, 06:36:01 PM
I thought it was BB to actually, I suppose we don't have the evidence yet... But it kinda sounded like I imagine he would sound... But idk, depending on the time frame of when they get that message, it probably isnt him, since I assume that Osman will keep him on as her personal AI, and another AI will be chosen for the infinity
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on November 03, 2012, 06:59:09 PM
I thought it was BB to actually, I suppose we don't have the evidence yet... But it kinda sounded like I imagine he would sound... But idk, depending on the time frame of when they get that message, it probably isnt him, since I assume that Osman will keep him on as her personal AI, and another AI will be chosen for the infinity

Well, I assume he's still alive as of Halo 4, if a bit long in the tooth--his comments about being the most advanced AI were partly just to mess with Halsey, but I assume he's built of research done for Cortana, so a 2552 or later construction date.

Definitely not the Infinity's own AI as of TTW, though.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Postmortem on November 03, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
It struck me as sounding like him as well.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on November 06, 2012, 05:34:22 AM
Just watched, haven't gone through the thread yet, I'd been waiting to watch the special edition before starting Halo 4.

Overall, fantastic.

I loved the intro scene, but Kelly's reveal had me in shivers.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on September 11, 2013, 11:37:26 PM
So I finally rewatched this for the first time since Halo 4 launch (thanks, Netflix!) It still holds up pretty well. If you just cut some of the stupid hit-you-over-the-head lines of dialogue and slomo, I think it would be better, but that's another matter.

I think they did a fairly good job stitching it into a full-length piece too, and I'm glad they included the "interview" promo stuff, although it slowed down the pace in the beginning.

Still think it's kind of odd they decided some Reach assets were good enough to use for the piece but made the Covenant all Halo 4 style. At the very least you'd expect they could have reused the "Deliver Hope" stuff like they did the armor, but I guess they didn't actually get the project files from that.

On the odd side: since they've got all those Halo 3-style uniforms, are they going to reuse them for the Spielberg series? If so, would that influence the time period they set it in?
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: craZboy557 on September 16, 2013, 12:42:12 AM
So how many times have you watched it? I only watched it the one time, was wondering how that matched up with other people.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: DangerousDave on September 16, 2013, 12:45:21 AM
So how many times have you watched it? I only watched it the one time, was wondering how that matched up with other people.

This makes two. I don't want most films that often repeatedly (there's probably only about a dozen films I've ever seen more than three or four times.)
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: craZboy557 on September 16, 2013, 12:48:59 AM
With me it was more I just didn't think it was worth watching a second time. Like you said, there's some pretty bad dialouge at some points, and a lot of the story seems a bit cliche.
Title: Re: Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Post by: Capac Amaru on September 16, 2013, 06:27:40 AM
Maybe I should watch FUD and Legends again and take some notes.