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Title: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Wazooty on July 11, 2012, 07:10:44 PM
http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/07/11/Tor-Books-Reveals-Title-Cover-Art-And-Release-Date-of-Third-Halo-Novel-By-Greg-Bear.aspx

"In Halo: Cryptum, Greg Bear began a three-book arc set in the era of the Forerunners, the ancient and enigmatic creators and builders of the Halos, which continued in Halo: Primordium. Now, in the last years of the Forerunner empire, chaos rules. The Flood—a horrifying shape-changing parasite—has arrived in force, aided by unexpected allies. Internal strife within the ecumene has desperately weakened Forerunner defenses.

Only the Ur-Didact and the Librarian—a husband and wife pushed into desperate conflict—hold the keys to salvation. Facing the consequences of a mythic tragedy, one of them must now commit the greatest atrocity of all time—to prevent an unmatched evil from dominating the entire universe."



It mentions the "Ur-Didact", which is a prefix meaning first, original. A bit odd considering that last we knew, the born-didact was the one chilling with the librarian.

Looks like the cryptum is on the cover, and judging by the ceiling spire, it's on requiem.   

Shame it's not coming out until after Halo 4.
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Post by: Dejay218 on July 11, 2012, 07:51:13 PM
I hope it's on Requiem. The Ur-Didact huh?.. I'm glad the O.G. Didact is coming back.
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Post by: DangerousDave on July 11, 2012, 09:20:55 PM
Yeah the mention of "Ur-Didact" was interesting to me. It makes me wonder what role Bornstellar/Didact is going to play, since the summary suggests that the Didact of the Halo 3 terminals is in fact the same one as this guy.
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 12, 2012, 01:04:04 AM
Whats the source on "Ur-" meaning original?
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: DangerousDave on July 12, 2012, 01:59:46 AM
Ur is an ancient Sumerian city-state, but Ur in this context is from the German -ur- prefix, meaning old, original, etc. Not sure if the proper name and the prefix are related or not.

So Ur-Didact is the original one, not Bornstellar. An interesting way of differentiating them, I guess.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 12, 2012, 02:05:02 AM
How do you know that its german? Forerunner's dont have the german language. It could just be a cool sounding prefix-syllable and they will give us the definition in forerunner culture in the book

And yes i know what Ur was. Thats where abraham was from i believe
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: DangerousDave on July 12, 2012, 02:57:18 AM
How do you know that its german? Forerunner's dont have the german language. It could just be a cool sounding prefix-syllable and they will give us the definition in forerunner culture in the book

And yes i know what Ur was. Thats where abraham was from i believe

That's true but I think it's more likely it's the prefix. The books like the Terminals have been presented as translations with idiomatic interpretations--such as Eden, etc. It'd be interesting to think about what a Forerunner concept of paradise looks like, though.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 12, 2012, 03:02:37 AM
Well i mean... that point actually supports a point that no one made; if we go with the tradition of halo--forerunner names for things having tons of biblical references (ark, flood, eden, ark... etc) then Ur actually fits right in :P

On a serious note though, the terminals have presented translations with idiomatic interpretations, that are translated into English... Eden is part of the "English" language... ur- really isnt...

Im not saying you are wrong, cause odds are, you are correct I feel, but your evidence is shakey at best
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Post by: DangerousDave on July 12, 2012, 03:06:48 AM
Well i mean... that point actually supports a point that no one made; if we go with the tradition of halo--forerunner names for things having tons of biblical references (ark, flood, eden, ark... etc) then Ur actually fits right in :P

On a serious note though, the terminals have presented translations with idiomatic interpretations, that are translated into English... Eden is part of the "English" language... ur- really isnt...

Im not saying you are wrong, cause odds are, you are correct I feel, but your evidence is shakey at best

Eh, I'd say "Ur" is enough of a loan into English--it's like the perennially overused "uber". After all, we've got Prometheans (Προμηθεύς) and the Didact (διδακτικός), and while the roots of our language are Germanic we've tended to adopt Romance terms for a lot of our "nicer" words. Hell, most of our more elevated terms date from the Norman conquest, while more household or base words remained from the Saxons.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 12, 2012, 03:32:03 AM
Google transalate makes people seem very smart

ANYWHO; i cannot, for the life of me, think of ANY words that begin with ur-... And i dont think its fair to say that a figure of language is "basically on loan to English" when it is never used

EDIT: looked it up: these are the words derived from the germanic prefix ur- :
urelement
ur-form
ur-Hamlet
ur-myth
ur-poem
urtext

Have you ever heard of or used any of those 6 words?
So yeah, not really "Common-English"

And furthermore, had they chosen ur-, ir-, uz-, udz- , oer-, or- people would still have drawn the same conclusions, freaking out about how it must mean his, when, in reality, it could have just been 2 letters that they liked how it sounded, and so they were gonna make it mean something in "Forerunner"

And in Greek, the prefix ur- means Relating to Urine. Im not gonna draw any conclusins
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Slightly Live on July 12, 2012, 08:17:43 AM
I think the name sounds silly Silentium..... sounds like something muttered in Harry Potter.

And suddenly rebranding a character? I don't like it.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Wazooty on July 12, 2012, 08:46:26 AM
Is it really rebranding so much as an easy way to differentiate one didact form another?

Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Sixftunder on July 12, 2012, 11:08:23 AM
Is it really rebranding so much as an easy way to differentiate one didact form another?



I thought Bornstellar and Didact were an easy way to differentiate them.... you don't assume one's name through a brevet mutation, just their knowledge, and memories right?
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: DangerousDave on July 12, 2012, 11:33:08 AM
Is it really rebranding so much as an easy way to differentiate one didact form another?



I thought Bornstellar and Didact were an easy way to differentiate them.... you don't assume one's name through a brevet mutation, just their knowledge, and memories right?

I got the sense that brevet mutations were generally a bit less... total in their transferrence. As he says in Primordium, he's Bornstellar now "only in my dreams". Most mutations aren't supposed to suppress the original identity--I think the Didact pulled some extra mojo-transferrence in the likely case he'd be killed.

Since he evidently *wasn't* killed, I wonder where he is. If Faber had him on Installation 07 I'm sure they would have found him by the end of Primordium.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Sixftunder on July 12, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
If that is the case, I think the Silentium will be told from the viewpoint of neo-didact. Why else would there need to be that distinction if it was told from someone else like chakas or riser? Even chakas said in primordium that he wonders where bornstellar was, he didn't use didact with some prefix. I suppose it could also be told from the librarians point of view trying to distinguish between her two husbands I guess (the origin of polygamy comes from the forerunners  ;) ).

But I still think it will be told from bornstellar/neo-didact's point of view. Since primordium was about what happened to chakas after being captured by Faber, I think it only makes sense for the next book to focus on what happened to neo-didact after being captured by Faber. Maybe he teams up with ur-didact at some point and that's why there needs to be a distinction between the two. Anyone want to place a wager on neo-didact being killed off in silentium?
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Post by: Postmortem on July 12, 2012, 02:27:38 PM
What if Bornstellar is the villain in Halo 4? That's something no one has really considered yet. I'm just picturing conversations with him where the original Bornstellar is fighting to regain control of the Didact that has replaced him. Could be interesting.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 12, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
Google transalate makes people seem very smart

ANYWHO; i cannot, for the life of me, think of ANY words that begin with ur-... And i dont think its fair to say that a figure of language is "basically on loan to English" when it is never used

EDIT: looked it up: these are the words derived from the germanic prefix ur- :
urelement
ur-form
ur-Hamlet
ur-myth
ur-poem
urtext

Have you ever heard of or used any of those 6 words?
So yeah, not really "Common-English"

And furthermore, had they chosen ur-, ir-, uz-, udz- , oer-, or- people would still have drawn the same conclusions, freaking out about how it must mean his, when, in reality, it could have just been 2 letters that they liked how it sounded, and so they were gonna make it mean something in "Forerunner"

And in Greek, the prefix ur- means Relating to Urine. Im not gonna draw any conclusins

The Ur- prefix is 'common' in that it was never really codified into language so much, it was more of a colloquial usage.

It has somewhat fallen out of use recently which is probably why it was used. It kind of sums up a particular philosophy that has also fallen out of fashion that things are created perfect and then fall into decline (whereas more modern notions accept complexity and 'perfection' as being built upon over time).

Most people use the term incorrectly, in a pretentious fashion. The Didact being somewhat 'diluted' by Bornstellar is an example of how it can work.

As another example, one could say that the ancient space-faring human civilisation was the ur-zenith of human culture.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Sixftunder on July 12, 2012, 02:41:43 PM
What if Bornstellar is the villain in Halo 4? That's something no one has really considered yet. I'm just picturing conversations with him where the original Bornstellar is fighting to regain control of the Didact that has replaced him. Could be interesting.

I was thinking the same thing when I heard about the ur-didact. I am just having a hard time placing a motive behind it. Perhaps a new summum malum article is required  ;)
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: viking033 on July 12, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
I'm super confused on the whole didact and bornsteller mutations memories and there being 2 or 3 didacts can someone explain this to me.
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Post by: That Gunslinger on July 12, 2012, 08:44:35 PM
I was thinking the same thing when I heard about the ur-didact. I am just having a hard time placing a motive behind it. Perhaps a new summum malum article is required  ;)

I dunno I always saw him as being at the very least tolerable of Chakas and Riser, and actually friends with them. So he would have to have a reason other than "I hate Humans argh!" Seems like a lot of bad stuff could go down in this book though to fuel any conflict.

But I think a Summum Malum article would be very cool. Do one for Johnson too, 'cause he's an obvious possibility. And Chief.

"No! I must kill the Forerunners!" he shouted.
Cortana said: "No John, you are the Forerunners."
Then John was the Didact.
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Post by: Wazooty on July 12, 2012, 09:00:45 PM
Zomg John has the imprint of one of the didacts in him.

Didact fight.

It will be...didactic.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on July 12, 2012, 09:45:12 PM
Zomg John has the imprint of one of the didacts in him.

Didact fight.

It will be...didactic.

*Like*
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Post by: Wazooty on July 12, 2012, 11:06:20 PM
One thing that I did think would've been cool, when the only info about halo 4 we had was based on cryptum, was if master chief goes around finding these terminals that the didact stored his memories in, and akin to bornstellar getting the didacts memories, chief gets them.  The catch being that you actually play though the memories.  So it's kind of like assassins creed in that respect.  Half the game takes place through the chiefs eyes, half takes place through Didacts eyes (via the chief).

Then by the end of the game, chief has all of Didacts memories and er...becomes the Didact?
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 13, 2012, 12:04:11 AM
One thing that I did think would've been cool, when the only info about halo 4 we had was based on cryptum, was if master chief goes around finding these terminals that the didact stored his memories in, and akin to bornstellar getting the didacts memories, chief gets them.  The catch being that you actually play though the memories.  So it's kind of like assassins creed in that respect.  Half the game takes place through the chiefs eyes, half takes place through Didacts eyes (via the chief).

Then by the end of the game, chief has all of Didacts memories and er...becomes the Didact?

Not gonna happen. It would be the cawadoody 'wah who is dis arbituh' all over again.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: DangerousDave on July 13, 2012, 12:36:13 AM
One thing that I did think would've been cool, when the only info about halo 4 we had was based on cryptum, was if master chief goes around finding these terminals that the didact stored his memories in, and akin to bornstellar getting the didacts memories, chief gets them.  The catch being that you actually play though the memories.  So it's kind of like assassins creed in that respect.  Half the game takes place through the chiefs eyes, half takes place through Didacts eyes (via the chief).

Then by the end of the game, chief has all of Didacts memories and er...becomes the Didact?

Not gonna happen. It would be the cawadoody 'wah who is dis arbituh' all over again.

Yeah, it'd be cool, but I don't see it happening. At least not insofar as actual gameplay.
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 13, 2012, 05:31:55 AM
What if Bornstellar is the villain in Halo 4? That's something no one has really considered yet. I'm just picturing conversations with him where the original Bornstellar is fighting to regain control of the Didact that has replaced him. Could be interesting.

I remember talking about this, or reading about this, somebody brought it up a while ago, think it was capac, not sure though. But yeah, its definately a possibility

Is it really rebranding so much as an easy way to differentiate one didact form another?
I thought Bornstellar and Didact were an easy way to differentiate them.... you don't assume one's name through a brevet mutation, just their knowledge, and memories right?

Well, where do you get your name from? if not your memories?

I'm super confused on the whole didact and bornsteller mutations memories and there being 2 or 3 didacts can someone explain this to me.

There are 2 Didacts.  "the Didact" (the original) was born and raised as the didact, the great forerunner warrior who defeated the humans. And "Bornstellar-Didact" who was originally bornstellar, but then through the Original didact's brevet mutation inherited all of his memories
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Capac Amaru on July 13, 2012, 07:10:55 PM
What if Bornstellar is the villain in Halo 4? That's something no one has really considered yet. I'm just picturing conversations with him where the original Bornstellar is fighting to regain control of the Didact that has replaced him. Could be interesting.

I remember talking about this, or reading about this, somebody brought it up a while ago, think it was capac, not sure though. But yeah, its definately a possibility

Is it really rebranding so much as an easy way to differentiate one didact form another?
I thought Bornstellar and Didact were an easy way to differentiate them.... you don't assume one's name through a brevet mutation, just their knowledge, and memories right?

Well, where do you get your name from? if not your memories?

I'm super confused on the whole didact and bornsteller mutations memories and there being 2 or 3 didacts can someone explain this to me.

There are 2 Didacts.  "the Didact" (the original) was born and raised as the didact, the great forerunner warrior who defeated the humans. And "Bornstellar-Didact" who was originally bornstellar, but then through the Original didact's brevet mutation inherited all of his memories

And there could always be more. Those Forerunners are a shifty bunch.
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Post by: Sixftunder on July 13, 2012, 09:43:07 PM
Well, where do you get your name from? if not your memories?

I got my name from my parents, more specifically my father. He loved mafia movies in the 80s and wanted to name his son with an Italian name, although I don't have an ounce of Italian heritage. I assumed everyone got their name from their parents  :P
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 14, 2012, 02:26:08 AM
awe yeah, so they loved the mafia so you got named sixftunder... Seems Legit

Anyways, how do you know that? your memory tells you that that is what happened.
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Post by: Sixftunder on July 14, 2012, 03:41:14 AM
I know what you mean, I was just trying to be a smartass because you asked where I got my name from  :D

I don't know if you thought I was referring to my username (because it does work with mafia lingo) but I meant my real name. Bet you'll never guess it  ;)
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Post by: Capac Amaru on July 14, 2012, 04:10:41 AM
Tony? lol
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Post by: Sixftunder on July 14, 2012, 05:54:37 AM
And Capac wins 50,000 MSP on the first attempt.....just not from me :D

Besides, I don't need memory, I have my drivers license and even a Work ID badge as a back up if I ever forget
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 14, 2012, 03:04:30 PM
I knew you were doing the whole time

You said mafia... Soo...
I was gonna say one of Pauli, Lefty, Fingers, Leo or Nicky
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: Wazooty on July 29, 2012, 07:38:21 PM
New synopsis from: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765323982/

"In the last years of the Forerunner empire, chaos rules. The Flood—a horrifying shape-changing parasite—has arrived in force, aided by unexpected allies. Internal strife within the ecumene has desperately weakened Forerunner defenses.

Too little, too late, the legal rate of Juridicals is only now investigating possible crimes by the Master Builder and others. Evidence-gathering agents known collectively as Catalog have been dispatched to collect testimony from the Librarian and both Didacts: the Ur-Didact, treacherously abandoned in a Flood-infested system, and the Bornstellar Didact, who accompanies the Librarian as she preserves specimens against the dire possibility of Halo extermination.

Facing the imminent collapse of their civilization, the Librarian and the Ur-Didact reveal what they know about the relationship between the long-vanished Precursors and the Flood.

The Precursors created many technological species, including humanity and the Forerunners. But the roots of the Flood may be found in an act of enormous barbarity, carried out beyond our galaxy ten million years before...

Because of that barbarism, a greater evil looms. Only the Ur-Didact and the Librarian--husband and wife pushed into desperate conflict--hold the keys to a solution.

Facing the consequences of a mythic tragedy, one of them must now commit the greatest atrocity of all time—to prevent an insane evil from dominating the entire universe."




Nothing suggests that either didact is evil.  Especially not "the" evil.  And the forerunners aren't really a "universal" species so them (or even one of them) being a universal threat seems...out of the question.

I wonder what happened 10 million years ago?  It could be something as simple as the precursors all giving themselves to the flood or...something more sinister.  Maybe the flood weren't actually created by the precursors, but instead the flood go from galaxy to galaxy chomping them up, and the precursors simply accepted them and gave themselves to them.


Who knows....
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Post by: DangerousDave on July 29, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
Two things that stick out for me: aided by unexpected allies... Bias has supposedly been secured. So who is this?

The evil--though this might be poor phrasing, there's a heavy implication that it is this unexpected evil and *not* the Flood that resulted in the firing of the rings...
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Post by: That Gunslinger on July 29, 2012, 09:27:42 PM
Wow that sounds brilliant. The use of the word 'Barbarism' has me thinking.

I think the initial chapters will be from the point of view of these 'Catalogs' interviewing the Librarian and Didacts like Primordium did with 343 and the ONI researchers. So each will tell everything that they know. Argh, so much to think about.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on July 29, 2012, 10:46:22 PM
Bias was in command of the Flood fleet when the array was fired, so he isn't 'secured'
Title: Re: Halo: Silentium cover released, dated.
Post by: DangerousDave on July 29, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
Well, that's the question. He's been secured as of Primordium, but we're not sure how the Halo 3 terminals fit in, are overwritten, or augmented at this point.

We also don't really know how far we are into the war, beyond "the latter stages".

I'll be interested to see if this jumps ahead a few years.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on July 30, 2012, 02:55:16 AM
Well, that's the question. He's been secured as of Primordium, but we're not sure how the Halo 3 terminals fit in, are overwritten, or augmented at this point.

We also don't really know how far we are into the war, beyond "the latter stages".

I'll be interested to see if this jumps ahead a few years.

Its possible that they only have an instance, or an individual component of Mendicant Bias. He was later broken down even further.
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Post by: DangerousDave on July 30, 2012, 03:45:17 AM
Well, that's the question. He's been secured as of Primordium, but we're not sure how the Halo 3 terminals fit in, are overwritten, or augmented at this point.

We also don't really know how far we are into the war, beyond "the latter stages".

I'll be interested to see if this jumps ahead a few years.

Its possible that they only have an instance, or an individual component of Mendicant Bias. He was later broken down even further.

Well there's at least two "shards". I'm guessing the piece found on the Dreadnought was a 'lost' piece, which essentially reunited with the piece Offensive Bias brought to the Ark.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on July 30, 2012, 04:42:07 PM
Mendicant and Offensive Bias would make an awesome book on their own. Especially if Greg Bear wrote it...
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on July 31, 2012, 06:45:22 PM
Yeah, the book gets me excited;
      One: cause of this huge business with whatever happened 10,000 leagues under the galaxy that created the flood or whatever, i eat up stuff about the precursor-flood relationship (though i hope they dont make them any less "god-like" than they are now)
       Two: cause this book seems to be heavily focused on the precursor-flood relationship, and since 343 has stated that this book will have loads of spoilers for halo 4 . . . . . .

also, what if the flood was created by the precursors who fled the galaxy as a way of enacting revenge on the forerunner?
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Post by: Wazooty on August 01, 2012, 12:29:13 PM
Soo, offensive bias is created to battle mendicant bias, lead their fleets against it.  This implies that offensive has a knack for military strategy.  Let's say they find Ur-didact in a flood infested system, but he is actually partially infected already.

So they compose him, halt the infection, but his body is ruined, so they take it a step further.  The make him a monitor, much like Chakas, but not any old monitor, they make him offensive bias.  Ur-didact created mendicant bias, he feels responsible for it, and he wants to take revenge against it.  Offensive bias was created just for that purpose.  The big orange cryptum thing is ur-didacts monitor as it were, and he will lead the forerunners armies against mendicant.  Being a military genius and all, it makes sense.  As forerunners are infected by the millions (billions?), they are composed and put into fighting suits to serve in offensive bias' army.  They served Ur-Didact in life, and now in "death", they will continue to serve him.

In their final showdown, offensive and mendicant bias are throwing ships at each other.  Offensive is of course trying to delay mendicant so Bornstellar can activate the array from the ark.   Mid battle, the halo effect passes their ships.  Mendicants flood infected ships are rendered inert, and offensive, with his robo-army then lay it to waste. 

Requiem is defined as a mass for the dead.  Offensive bias and his "army of the dead" are left there for...whatever purpose.  To guard something or just to wait for the inevitable return of the flood.  Who knows.  But they are all infected by the flood.  Their minds deteriorate over the years, and by the time Halo 4 rolls around, they are serving whatever they were intending to guard.
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Post by: Postmortem on August 01, 2012, 01:14:12 PM
In spite of the fact that we've already been told it's a Cryptum, I really like this theory.
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Post by: Wazooty on August 01, 2012, 02:46:35 PM
Perhaps he isn't completely monitorfied in the traditional sense.  His crippled body might still be intact, but the cryptum monitor combo holds it suspended, while expanding his mental capabilities to that of a machine.

Well, I'm just throwing random things out there.  At any rate, it would be easy enough to make up some sci-fi plot device to justify such a detail.
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on August 01, 2012, 04:49:37 PM
LOVE IIIIITTT!!!! :D

Great theory Wazooty --- Me Definately thinks that youre on to something with the Didact gets infected dealeo (also i love the ur-didact being offensive bias theory too)

 For the cryptum business;
             Cryptum's are pretty much just fancy-forerunner-cryo tubes, It is entirely possible that the Cryptum, Combined with whatever composer stuff he's got going on,  would be keeping his body in suspended animation; Halting the progress of the infection.

Also, dont forget about the Bornsteller-Didact, how does he fit in to the theory?
I see it like this: (Pick one option)
   Ur-Didact is both offensive bias and in the Cryptum. Bornsteller didact is Unaccounted for (iffy)
   Ur-Didact is offensive bias; BornSteller-Didact is in the Cryptum (Ur-Didact is not in the H4 trailer then)

And i wonder what "Un-Bound" is refering to...
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Post by: DangerousDave on August 01, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Wazooty wins my "Better than Canon" award for that theory... would be really interesting. Regardless I'll be interested in knowing what the Didact's been up to all these years...
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Post by: Sixftunder on August 01, 2012, 10:39:59 PM
Wazooty wins my "Better than Canon" award for that theory... would be really interesting. Regardless I'll be interested in knowing what the Didact's been up to all these years...

It could be cannon  :o I like your theory as well Wazooty

And I'm sure the Didact has taken up knitting, or something peaceful to pass the time.
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Post by: DangerousDave on August 03, 2012, 02:45:37 AM
The Cryptum's just one giant ball o' yarn.
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on August 03, 2012, 01:41:34 PM
The ancient enemy is just gonna be a big precursor cat.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on August 04, 2012, 09:35:45 AM
I could have sworn it said somewhere that Offensive Bias was a completely artificial, emotionless AI construct with a very specific instruction set.... can't remember where...
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Post by: DangerousDave on August 04, 2012, 02:08:41 PM
I'm not sure if the Halo Encyclopedia says anything about it (I need to get that) but the Terminals don't really shed any light on his nature.
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Post by: Sixftunder on August 04, 2012, 04:26:53 PM
I could have sworn it said somewhere that Offensive Bias was a completely artificial, emotionless AI construct with a very specific instruction set.... can't remember where...

I'm not sure if the Halo Encyclopedia says anything about it (I need to get that) but the Terminals don't really shed any light on his nature.

I think what is stated in the Encyclopedia goes against what you thought Capac.....

Page 188
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In order to strike at the Gravemind during this vulnerable time, the Forerunners created Mendicant Bias, a sentient artificial intelligence free from the self containing protocols they had imposed on other AI constructs.

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Post by: DangerousDave on August 04, 2012, 05:26:17 PM
Well, that's Mendicant Bias, though. What do they say if anything about Offensive Bias?

(Finally got around to ordering the revised Encyclopedia, so I'll be interested in thumbing through that when it arrives.)
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Post by: Sixftunder on August 04, 2012, 06:08:39 PM
Well, that's Mendicant Bias, though. What do they say if anything about Offensive Bias?


Ah, sorry about the mix up.

So, it seems Capac's memory severed him right, at least I think:

page 189:
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Unlike Mendicant Bias, Offensive was not created to reason and create disclosure, but rather to specifically enact destruction or deactivation of his "older brother" in conjunction with the Halo array.... The fate of this AI is presently unknown

Might we be seeing OB or another shard of MB in the Reclaimer trilogy?

I also only have the 1st edition of the encyclopedia, so it will be interesting to see what variations the newest edition will have.
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Post by: DangerousDave on August 04, 2012, 07:13:39 PM
I know they fixed a lot of errors and added in Reach stuff... since I don't have the first I won't really know what they've changed :P
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Post by: Sixftunder on August 04, 2012, 07:19:25 PM
I know they fixed a lot of errors and added in Reach stuff... since I don't have the first I won't really know what they've changed :P

We must compare our enclopedias!  :P

Let me know when your edition arrives. We should set up a thread for the "Reach stuff" that was altered in the newest edition.  8)
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on August 04, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
Somebody suggests making a separate thread for something off topic;  :D
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Post by: Capac Amaru on August 04, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
My memory is full of wonderfully useless information and inference that I can't seem to leverage into making any kind of real world gains (like money for example lol)
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Post by: DangerousDave on August 04, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
Somebody suggests making a separate thread for something off topic;  :D

I think we're a small enough community where I don't really care about going off-topic that badly :P
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on August 04, 2012, 11:55:08 PM
   I dont really mind Off topic, if its like "the natural flow of conversation" But at the same time; i think that it often casues  a lot of aspects from the original topic to not be discussed at all.... And also, when people post a huge post that is like a big theory or something that isnt really on topic... That stuff needs its own topic
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Post by: Capac Amaru on August 05, 2012, 11:39:22 PM
Somebody suggests making a separate thread for something off topic;  :D

I think we're a small enough community where I don't really care about going off-topic that badly :P

So I bought a new sandwich press, and it peer pressured my children into trying drugs. Now they are crack whores working the streets for their next fix. Then it ran off with my wife.

What do you guys think about me trying to make a career out of balloon animals?
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Post by: Sixftunder on October 25, 2012, 10:22:31 PM
It got pushed back to March :(

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/10/18/halo-silentium-concludes-greg-bears-forerunner-trilogy-in-marc/
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Post by: Sixftunder on November 22, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
There will be a new cover for Silentium:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JG41ncXuL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

I guess this is why the book got pushed back three months  :P

I love this artwork, although I think the previous cover fit more with the covers of Cryptum and Primordium.
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Post by: That Gunslinger on November 22, 2012, 02:46:58 PM
Very nice. The last cover did fit better with the last two books, but I'm guessing it's a marketing decision to stick a more conventional cover on there. Still awesome as hell though. I actually prefer this cover.
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Post by: DangerousDave on November 22, 2012, 03:06:18 PM
Very nice. The last cover did fit better with the last two books, but I'm guessing it's a marketing decision to stick a more conventional cover on there. Still awesome as hell though. I actually prefer this cover.

Yeah I'm divided on it. I definitely liked the concept art book covers, although the Silentium one we saw just looked... meh compared to the other two in my eyes. This one definitely feels a little more conventional but it also has a lot more impact.

Artistically, I'm not getting the Librarian in the corner--she's not oriented properly in 3D space compared to the Protoss Zealot--I mean, Didact.
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Post by: Wazooty on November 22, 2012, 05:40:25 PM
Looks like 343 wanted to cram as many visuals from halo 4 on  the cover as they could in order to get more people to buy it.

I do not like it.  First off, didact looks like this generic evil power rangers villain lording over a crystal ball or something.  Secondly, it is completely inconsistent with the subtle epicness of the previous two covers.  On the original silentium cover I didn't even notice the floating ball was a cryptum at first.  I liked that.  Very relevant to the story without SHOUTING IT IN YOUR FACE.
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Post by: viking033 on November 22, 2012, 08:14:46 PM
the new cover looks okay. I think there trying push the fact that didact is evil with his hands around the crytum. It feels like didact is saying 'MUHHAAAHAHA IM EVIL'. The libarian seems out of place.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on November 23, 2012, 01:27:05 AM
Yeah, it would be fine without the librarian. I don't mind the focus on the Didact, in fact i was hoping we'd see a lot more about him after 4. I don't even mind the supervillain thing since we know he's gonna lose the plot.
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on November 24, 2012, 07:20:16 AM
Most of the complaints you guys have are legitimate and I agree with most of them.

But from an artistic standpoint, I actually really enjoy the colors and composition of the new color better.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on November 24, 2012, 07:47:31 AM
It's a lot more comic book style. It's a shame to be leaving behind the golden/silver age scifi look behind though, it fits Bear's style perfectly
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Post by: DangerousDave on November 24, 2012, 03:05:41 PM
It's a lot more comic book style. It's a shame to be leaving behind the golden/silver age scifi look behind though, it fits Bear's style perfectly

Agreed. I would have rather had a nicer cover that fit the style of the old ones than this one--it simply would have felt like it could stand next to an Asimov or a Clarke on the shelves in presence.

Halo might not have the same gravitas or depth of those works, but you can sure fake it appearance-wise :)
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Post by: Capac Amaru on November 24, 2012, 11:13:32 PM
I disagree. I think Halo stands up quite well to the classics. It's only really 'let down' by it's choice of format. The closest thing you could really compare it to would be the cross pollination effort of the 2001 movie/novel, and while Halo doesn't cover it's themes as deeply, it does cast a wider net.
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Post by: DexHaven on November 25, 2012, 04:38:14 PM
I hope born stellar does not get killed off, love that name the cover is retro for sure. Does anyone know if there is truth to the rumour this book had to have a small but significant rewrite late in the game?
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on November 26, 2012, 04:56:08 AM
I hope born stellar does not get killed off, love that name the cover is retro for sure. Does anyone know if there is truth to the rumour this book had to have a small but significant rewrite late in the game?

I would assume that it had many small and significant re-writes late in the game... Cause if the fiction team comes up with something that works great in the Halo 4 story, the games take precedent over the books, so the book would be changed...
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Post by: Sixftunder on February 12, 2013, 12:36:01 AM
Apparently there will be embedded data in both the print and e-version of Silentium that can unlock XP in Halo 4 and additional content. Details are vague at this point.

http://blogs.halowaypoint.com/Headlines/post/2013/02/11/Halo-Fans-Can-Unlock-Additional-Content-and-Gain-XP-with-the-Release-of-Halo-Silentium.aspx

Only a month away...
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Post by: Capac Amaru on February 14, 2013, 08:45:06 AM
I forgot about that cover... ugh...

Also, a glyph was already found in the waypoint post, so its def more waypoint codes.
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Post by: DangerousDave on February 14, 2013, 01:28:32 PM
I forgot about that cover... ugh...

Also, a glyph was already found in the waypoint post, so its def more waypoint codes.

If it's any consolation, Sparth's cover still makes up the back. Personally I think it was the weakest of all three of them though. Aside from the slightly cliched pose, the only thing that really bothers me is the off perspective on the Librarian.
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Post by: Wazooty on March 13, 2013, 07:02:26 PM
In case people were unaware...

ch. 1: http://www.tor.com/stories/2013/03/halo-silentium-string-1-excerpt

ch. 2: http://www.tor.com/stories/2013/03/halo-silentium-string-1-excerpt



Interesting how "by the books" they are despite how unusual their situation is.
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Post by: DangerousDave on March 13, 2013, 11:47:27 PM
In case people were unaware...

ch. 1: http://www.tor.com/stories/2013/03/halo-silentium-string-1-excerpt

ch. 2: http://www.tor.com/stories/2013/03/halo-silentium-string-1-excerpt



Interesting how "by the books" they are despite how unusual their situation is.

Well they've apparently been at it a while. I guess most of the Forerunners in the "sheltered" parts of the galaxy weren't really aware of the Flood threat until near the end times.
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Post by: GrimBrother One on March 18, 2013, 07:23:16 PM
I cannot wait for you guys to finish this book so I can join in the discussion, lol. <3
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Post by: Wazooty on March 19, 2013, 12:55:56 PM
So, anyone else feel the last 20% or so felt like it should've been spaced out over another hundred pages or something?
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Post by: DangerousDave on March 19, 2013, 02:43:43 PM
Copy is on its way, haven't devoured it yet :)
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Post by: Postmortem on March 19, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
So, anyone else feel the last 20% or so felt like it should've been spaced out over another hundred pages or something?

Sounds like both his previous books, to an extent.
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Post by: Wazooty on March 19, 2013, 09:48:47 PM
So, anyone else feel the last 20% or so felt like it should've been spaced out over another hundred pages or something?

Sounds like both his previous books, to an extent.

Yeah, but it's not like the first 80% was lacking like primordium, just that the last 20% was too crowded. It seems like so much stuff that I felt should've been spaced out over a span of months all happened in what feels like 5 minutes in story.
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Post by: Postmortem on March 20, 2013, 03:14:42 AM
I'll have more thoughts on the matter soon. Just picked up the book a few hours ago. :)
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Post by: DangerousDave on March 20, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
So, anyone else feel the last 20% or so felt like it should've been spaced out over another hundred pages or something?

Sounds like both his previous books, to an extent.

Yeah, but it's not like the first 80% was lacking like primordium, just that the last 20% was too crowded. It seems like so much stuff that I felt should've been spaced out over a span of months all happened in what feels like 5 minutes in story.

My hardcover of Primordium is at another castle, but Silentium still feels lighter--I'm absolutely sure it's at least 50 pages shorter. That said I liked the crunched, compressed timeframe of the final part of the book; it made me feel the impending doom and desperation. Only downside is it made it very difficult to get a more precise timeframe for when things happened; we know that Cryptum takes place a couple of years before the firing of the Halos, but Silentium makes it difficult to get a better number than that. As interesting as the point of reconciliation is, I wish we'd heard more about it rather than getting it dumped on us in one book.
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Post by: Wazooty on March 20, 2013, 12:51:57 PM
I also wish it was a bit more comprehensive.

Yes, I realize it was supposed to be from personal recollections rather than an overall story, but the way OB's battle with MB was reduced to a mere sentence was rather...blunt.

I guess one of my peeves with the halo universe is how all of its info is spread out over a thousand different distinct medias.  Since the catalog stopped following UR-Didact, 80% of the Halo 4 terminals were omitted from the book.  Since we never left isodidact when he fired the rings, we hear virtually nothing about OB vs MB.  I bet someone could weave in the Halo 3 terminals and get a better timeframe established.  While I appreciate how they all craft one epic large experience,  I kind of want a comprehensive book that just has EVERYTHING in it.  A la if it were a movie.
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Post by: DangerousDave on March 20, 2013, 02:04:46 PM
I also wish it was a bit more comprehensive.

Yes, I realize it was supposed to be from personal recollections rather than an overall story, but the way OB's battle with MB was reduced to a mere sentence was rather...blunt.

I guess one of my peeves with the halo universe is how all of its info is spread out over a thousand different distinct medias.  Since the catalog stopped following UR-Didact, 80% of the Halo 4 terminals were omitted from the book.  Since we never left isodidact when he fired the rings, we hear virtually nothing about OB vs MB.  I bet someone could weave in the Halo 3 terminals and get a better timeframe established.  While I appreciate how they all craft one epic large experience,  I kind of want a comprehensive book that just has EVERYTHING in it.  A la if it were a movie.

I can certainly appreciate that point, but to me the strength of the book was how it built but never dominated what came before. For a person who follows the lore, it was kind of beautiful to me to see where Bear melded in new parts of scenes we had seen before--The Didact's talk with 343GS, shortly before the scenes with Abject Testament in the CEA terminals. The Librarian arriving on Requiem, and why she touched that one Promethean... I enjoyed that while the Terminals from Halo 3 got hacked apart in terms of a lot of specifics, they did an excellent job leaving some of the elements alone and not detracting from the sadness present in the original tale--the Didact, forced to kill his love to stop the Flood.

The events of Silentium do beg for visual accompaniment more than anything else in the series to me, but that is a credit to Bear's writing.

Frankly this could have been the final book to simply end the entire franchise on, it does such a nice job.
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Post by: Wazooty on March 20, 2013, 04:34:58 PM
I could not for the life of me visualize a space road or whatever they're called.

That's what I get for not paying enough attention the first time they were mentioned, because god knows they were only mentioned a thousand times after that.
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Post by: Wazooty on March 20, 2013, 04:49:17 PM
So if you enter the Silentium code, the video is a 40 minute epilogue of sorts read by Greg Bear.

It's quite nice, as they're describing things that we have all seen too.

It's a happy ending.  Well, about as happy as you can have in a book about killing virtually everything in the galaxy.
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Post by: DangerousDave on March 20, 2013, 06:38:19 PM
Can you enter the code on tr website somewhere or do you need to use the Xbox waypoint app?
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Post by: Postmortem on March 20, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Frankly this could have been the final book to simply end the entire franchise on, it does such a nice job.

I haven't finished it yet. About halfway. But I'm getting this same feeling already.
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Post by: Wazooty on March 21, 2013, 01:15:39 AM
Yeah the website worked for me.
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Post by: DangerousDave on March 21, 2013, 01:31:57 AM
I felt that the epilogue was nice, but it's good it wasn't in the novel, it just wouldn't have fit well. Also, nice to have Bear clarify some pronounciations, like Chakas with a hard A and geas having a bit of a turn towards "goulash" at the end of the word :P
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Post by: Sixftunder on March 21, 2013, 05:30:42 AM
Finished the book at 1:17 am this morning, and no I did not plan that. Best novel of the trilogy and of all the Halo novels IMO.


Frankly this could have been the final book to simply end the entire franchise on, it does such a nice job.

I thought the exact same thing when I finished, well at least since it was after Halo 4's release. Seriously, if no more Halo content came out after this, I would be completely satisfied with this franchise. This novel just re-affirmed my stance that the Halo universe is my favorite fictional universe ever. I loved how this novel, in typical Halo fashion, brought everything full circle.

I am too tired to start discussing every detail of the book, the trilogy as a whole, it's implications with the terminals from CEA, H3, and H4 (though can the unidentified ship on Installation 04a from the CEA terminals be identified?), though I can't wait until we can get the gang together when Castle map pack releases for a full on discussion.

But I will end with this for now.... I had the biggest grin on my face when Bornstellar asked Chakas "If it were your choice, after witnessing everything we just have, would you fire Halo?"  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by: Postmortem on March 21, 2013, 06:30:30 AM
I felt that the epilogue was nice, but it's good it wasn't in the novel, it just wouldn't have fit well. Also, nice to have Bear clarify some pronounciations, like Chakas with a hard A and geas having a bit of a turn towards "goulash" at the end of the word :P

Chakas is pronounced differently in the audiobook of Primordium. :P
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Post by: Wazooty on March 21, 2013, 03:27:13 PM
The contemporary halo universe seems pretty lame and petty compared to silentium.  Still waiting for 343 to make the game stories as good as the books...
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Post by: Slightly Live on March 22, 2013, 11:10:46 PM
The contemporary halo universe seems pretty lame and petty compared to silentium.  Still waiting for 343 to make the game stories as good as the books...

Impossible.
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Post by: Hemlax on March 25, 2013, 10:50:39 AM
The contemporary halo universe seems pretty lame and petty compared to silentium.  Still waiting for 343 to make the game stories as good as the books...

Impossible.

Hmm...what about Mass Effect style Halo RPG. That woudlnt be impossible.
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Post by: That Gunslinger on March 26, 2013, 11:03:29 PM
Just finished it today, then listened to the epilogue, and then the new podcast.

If I could describe my feelings about this book, I would say I feel rewarded. Rewarded for sticking with the franchise. It filled in so many 'plot-holes', and little details. I smiled so many times when reading this book, every time I recognised a line of dialogue, or made a connection. Nothing is perfect, but this is close. Very close. Oh, and I teared up during the epilogue. Beautiful stuff.

I'll be honest, I liked Halo 4 a lot, but it didn't quite achieve what I had hoped (well it achieved far more than I thought it would, but that's different). Since then I've not been that interested in Halo. This book has renewed my love for the franchise, in a few hundred pages. I feel like I did during the golden days of Halo 3: HYPED.

You have no idea how excited I am for Halo 5... well maybe you do. I'm probably not getting a Durango on launch, but I'm totally getting one for Halo 5. I was considering moving on from this franchise, but that's just not happening now. 343 are indeed the rightful heirs of the Halo Mantle.

Feels like an end of an Era.

Slight thing I didn't understand: Who was the other Guilty Spark who was getting interrogated in Primordium? Where did he come from? I assumed he was just a copy, made when Chakas was composed. That, as far I remember, was not explained. I'm not complaining, I want some mysteries to remain, I'm just curious if it was revealed yet.
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Post by: DangerousDave on March 27, 2013, 03:09:42 AM
Just finished it today, then listened to the epilogue, and then the new podcast.

If I could describe my feelings about this book, I would say I feel rewarded. Rewarded for sticking with the franchise. It filled in so many 'plot-holes', and little details. I smiled so many times when reading this book, every time I recognised a line of dialogue, or made a connection. Nothing is perfect, but this is close. Very close. Oh, and I teared up during the epilogue. Beautiful stuff.

I'll be honest, I liked Halo 4 a lot, but it didn't quite achieve what I had hoped (well it achieved far more than I thought it would, but that's different). Since then I've not been that interested in Halo. This book has renewed my love for the franchise, in a few hundred pages. I feel like I did during the golden days of Halo 3: HYPED.

You have no idea how excited I am for Halo 5... well maybe you do. I'm probably not getting a Durango on launch, but I'm totally getting one for Halo 5. I was considering moving on from this franchise, but that's just not happening now. 343 are indeed the rightful heirs of the Halo Mantle.

Feels like an end of an Era.

Slight thing I didn't understand: Who was the other Guilty Spark who was getting interrogated in Primordium? Where did he come from? I assumed he was just a copy, made when Chakas was composed. That, as far I remember, was not explained. I'm not complaining, I want some mysteries to remain, I'm just curious if it was revealed yet.

Glad you felt the same way Isaac did :)

As to Guilty Spark, smart money is on there only being the One and Only Guilty Spark; Bear's comments on the recent Sparkcast, the beginning of Silentium, and the ONI data drops pretty strongly suggest an ONI team returned to the Ark and came back with a damaged but salvageable Guilty Spark.
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Post by: That Gunslinger on March 27, 2013, 08:50:49 AM
strongly suggest an ONI team returned to the Ark and came back with a damaged but salvageable Guilty Spark.

I don't understand. He exploded. I fired a laser into his eye. Johnson told me to 'kick his ass' and I did just that. I even remember Spark in Primordium saying that he his 'double was causing trouble' or something like that. Or was he just trolling the ONI officers? That isn't what he said, but I don't remember the wording. Maybe I'm wrong. Excuse my ignorance if I'm being dumb as usual. I don't mind actually. That means that there is one less 'double' of something lying around. Only one Spark, only one Ark, and only one Dida- well let's wait and see.

Either way, I guess that's another 'plot-hole' sealed up. I still think Ghosts of Onyx is my favourite book, but Fall of Reach and Silentium are easily the most effective books in the series. They do what they are trying to do extremely well.
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Post by: Wazooty on March 27, 2013, 03:37:48 PM
I think the line about "one of me has caused you trouble" is more of a reference to his uh...severe multiple personaility disorder.

Like getting shot by a laser somehow made his pre memory wipe personality come back to the forefront or something.

Anyways, I'm pretty happy with how they handled the greater ark.  I always wondered why they didn't use halos as pinpoint weapons rather than destroying everything in the galaxy.  Well, they did, and it didn't work.  I like how the handled the forerunners last stand there, and how one it was destroyed there really truly was nothing else left to do but fire the seven rings.  Something they had been planning on for a while, but still did everything in their power not to do.

Precursor technology coming back to life and becoming a part of the floods arsenel also made the necessity of a galaxy wide cleansing that much greater.  It would seem odd that the elites around high charity and installation 05, and the handful that followed the flood to earth were able to contain the flood seemingly completely while the forerunner and ancient human empires could not.   There was untold amounts precursor tech spread across the entire galaxy, and the forerunner were in no position to find nor destroy it.  Halo rings were the only choice.

I agree about TFOR and silentium being the two most important books in the series.  They pretty much define the halo universe.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on March 28, 2013, 07:00:01 AM
Damn it... I hate avoiding threads while I wait for the book I should have ordered earlier to show up...

On the plus side, I got a job today!

I look forward to restating everything everyone else has already said when my copy gets here.
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Post by: DangerousDave on March 28, 2013, 06:27:29 PM
Damn it... I hate avoiding threads while I wait for the book I should have ordered earlier to show up...

On the plus side, I got a job today!

I look forward to restating everything everyone else has already said when my copy gets here.

Snape killed Gandalf and fired the Halo rings.
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Post by: That Gunslinger on March 28, 2013, 06:34:47 PM
Snape killed Gandalf and fired the Halo rings.

And Shepard was the Reapers all along. Ka is a wheel, the FUD cycle continues...
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Post by: Wazooty on March 31, 2013, 02:25:25 AM
Rereading, and this is what I gather about the precise relationship between primordial and the flood


The primordial is the last precursor.  The precursor became the flood.  By the time the didact captured it, they were already fused, one in the same.  The body it was in, the precursor body, was no more than a formality at that point.  Destroying it meant virtually nothing, as its conciousness was now legion.  When you hear a gravemind speak, it is not the gravemind itself speaking, but the last precursor, with all it's knowledge and vengeance.
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Post by: That Gunslinger on March 31, 2013, 09:29:16 AM
This code unlocks the full Rebirth audio log. There's a few minutes in hte middle that were previously missing. It fills yet another 'plot hole', and has another nice quote reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzE_z39VyX4
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Post by: DangerousDave on April 01, 2013, 01:51:21 AM
This code unlocks the full Rebirth audio log. There's a few minutes in hte middle that were previously missing. It fills yet another 'plot hole', and has another nice quote reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzE_z39VyX4

I don't have time to listen right now... what's the plot hole?
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Post by: That Gunslinger on April 01, 2013, 09:35:07 AM
I don't have time to listen right now... what's the plot hole?

It just explains how Mendicant Bias got onto the Ark, when Chief meets him in Halo 3. Or at least part of him was on the Ark. Presumably he was able to help Chief (still not sure how he did that but whatever), because both the Ark fragment and the piece on the Forerunner Dreadnought came together.

Not sure why it was so hidden. not really a big deal, but whatever. Some nice dialogue between Mendicant and Bornstellar anyway.
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Post by: Postmortem on April 03, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
I just listened to it. Pretty cool. Creates a much cooler image of Mendicant Bias on the Ark in Halo 3 than I originally had in my head.

I wish these would be made available in text as well. :( It would help more with research, and having too many story beats like this relegated to bonus/hidden material is a disservice to a lot of the people who will never seek it out.
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Post by: Wazooty on April 03, 2013, 08:53:16 PM
It's Halo's curse.

There is this epic amazing story but it's spread out over 12 years worth of content in about 50 different mediums.

Unless you're a hardcore fictionite like us, you miss significant chunks of the very story you just read about.
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Post by: That Gunslinger on April 03, 2013, 09:33:59 PM
If only there was a site, with talented writers, that could collect and present all this information on the History of the Forerunner/Flood war into one comprehensive article. *cough* A monumental article,  to catalogue all of their sins.*cough* If only such a site existed.
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Post by: DangerousDave on April 03, 2013, 11:02:02 PM
If only there was a site, with talented writers, that could collect and present all this information on the History of the Forerunner/Flood war into one comprehensive article. *cough* A monumental article,  to catalogue all of their sins.*cough* If only such a site existed.

If only we hadn't taken everyone's money. Now they expect things from us :P
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 08, 2013, 08:16:41 PM
Just finished it today, then listened to the epilogue, and then the new podcast.

If I could describe my feelings about this book, I would say I feel rewarded. Rewarded for sticking with the franchise. It filled in so many 'plot-holes', and little details. I smiled so many times when reading this book, every time I recognised a line of dialogue, or made a connection. Nothing is perfect, but this is close. Very close. Oh, and I teared up during the epilogue. Beautiful stuff.
I just finished the book. I couldn't agree more, that book was flipping phenomenal. Even the middle parts were facinating.
 I was suprised at how close to being accurate my "titan-God-precursor" theory was. And I totally called the domain being a precursor construct. So... take that.
I can't wait to watch all this extra stuff!

It does feel like the end of an era though. I feel like this book wrapped up the last remnents of Bungie's universe; told all the tails, tied all the knots and story threads. And now, as we head forward, I feel like the Halo universe will reference and relate to only the new content created by 343.
It was indeed a fitting end though


If only there was a site, with talented writers, that could collect and present all this information on the History of the Forerunner/Flood war into one comprehensive article. *cough* A monumental article,  to catalogue all of their sins.*cough* If only such a site existed.

They would have to divide it up into 3 articles and then wait a few years before writing the third part. Then it would be good.

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The contemporary halo universe seems pretty lame and petty compared to silentium.  Still waiting for 343 to make the game stories as good as the books...
Impossible
Is possible, it would require some experimentation and innovation, some risk and some change.
Impossible for a Microsoft owned 343; probably.    But not as a whole unachievable.



Also, congrats on becoming a contributing member of society Capac ;)
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Post by: Capac Amaru on April 09, 2013, 11:10:15 AM
Well, I guess thats a good note for me to drop in on Tar :P

Got the book this afternoon. Read it straight through (9pm now lol).

To everyone saying how wrapped up everything is: we don't know that the Master Builder didn't still get to use his backdoor. We also don't know if the lifeworkers and Bornstellar on the lesser ark survived. What happened to Chant-to-Green and the keyship? Where is the ship GS commandeered (its kind of implied in Silentium that GS would take it back to Earth)? Also the 'primitive' Forerunners

I still maintain that the GS that ONI recovered was a replacement manufactured by the Ark. I don't think Spartan Lasers are acceptable psychological tools.

Guess I'll check out that speculation thread...
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Post by: Postmortem on April 09, 2013, 02:58:44 PM
To everyone saying how wrapped up everything is: we don't know that the Master Builder didn't still get to use his backdoor. We also don't know if the lifeworkers and Bornstellar on the lesser ark survived. What happened to Chant-to-Green and the keyship? Where is the ship GS commandeered (its kind of implied in Silentium that GS would take it back to Earth)? Also the 'primitive' Forerunners

We were saying that it wraps up all the questions posed by Bungie.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on April 09, 2013, 03:45:35 PM
To everyone saying how wrapped up everything is: we don't know that the Master Builder didn't still get to use his backdoor. We also don't know if the lifeworkers and Bornstellar on the lesser ark survived. What happened to Chant-to-Green and the keyship? Where is the ship GS commandeered (its kind of implied in Silentium that GS would take it back to Earth)? Also the 'primitive' Forerunners

We were saying that it wraps up all the questions posed by Bungie.

Hmm... I'm sure there must be some loose ends somewhere, but I can't think of any... geez, it even kind of backed up that whole I Love Bees time travel nonsense...
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 11, 2013, 02:13:31 AM
I would like to say, right at the beginning of IsoDidact's chapter from Omega halo, there is a line where he says "father to son, I tell myself" -- I really hope this is a reference to the 7th Halo 3 terminal... Cause that would be awesome... Its my head-canon regardless.

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we don't know that the Master Builder didn't still get to use his backdoor. We also don't know if the lifeworkers and Bornstellar on the lesser ark survived. What happened to Chant-to-Green and the Keyship? Where is the ship GS commandeered (its kind of implied in Silentium that GS would take it back to Earth)? Also the 'primitive' Forerunners
I feel like Bornstellar and the lifeworkers definitely survived. There isn't really any reason they shouldn't. Something to note, on this topic though, Bornstellar does reference his future children coming to meet risers future children, which does imply they had the intention of some level of re-population, though the only evidence we have now as to there whereabouts is that one entry in the encyclopedia. (which so far, has been fairly accurate)

Master builder's back door? To what do you refer? (I dont think he did try to escape though, just from that last line of dialogue he gave to the didact)
As for chant; listen to the epilogue.
Primitive forerunners; Path Kethona got Halo'd when the Omega halo fired, which would have destroyed them.
I didn't really expect the guilty spark thread to be resolved in Silentium... It would have been weird... I was suprised they even mentioned it in the beginning.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on April 11, 2013, 02:56:16 AM
The backdoor was the portal, the one he gave Bornstellar the key to.

But where did Bornstellar and the Lifeworkers go? Presumably they oversaw the reseeding of the galaxy, but its doubtful they were still on the ark. Did they get the Librarian's message? Are they trying to track down the Organon to see if anything survived? I mentioned in the other thread that the Audacity mysteriously disappeared.

The book doesn't explicitly reveal the fate of the primitive forerunner. Something worthy of mentioning though is that when they were destryoed by the Halo blast, presumably their moss/history thing would have continued.

As for GS, it seems like his losing the plot was a function both of his isolation, and his selective memory wipe. Presumably if the GS that highjacked the ship is a fresh replacement, it has not been subjected to the memory wipe, if it is the recovered remnants of the original then the memory wipe has somehow been undone, either by damage, or by ONI.
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Post by: Tar Alacrin on April 21, 2013, 06:34:50 PM
I thought that the IsoDidact got the message in that one part of the book, and then discarded it cause he thought it was fake.

Why would the moss/history thing continue? Its basically a higher life form isn't it? The whole thing is basically a mini and organic version of the Domain, why wouldn't it get wiped out too.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on April 22, 2013, 10:19:56 AM
I thought that the IsoDidact got the message in that one part of the book, and then discarded it cause he thought it was fake.

Why would the moss/history thing continue? Its basically a higher life form isn't it? The whole thing is basically a mini and organic version of the Domain, why wouldn't it get wiped out too.

If I got a message saying using the halos would destroy the Domain, then I used them and they destroyed the domain, I'd probably reconsider dismissing it so readily. This would pretty much confirm to bornstellar that the librarian died on earth (assuming domain communications have some time/date/location type metadata, I'm sure that was mentioned at some point)

And we don't know how the moss really does what it does, but I figured it might be alien enough to be unaffected. As long as it's storage medium isn't based on neurological systems it should be fine.
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Post by: DangerousDave on April 22, 2013, 06:10:26 PM
I thought that the IsoDidact got the message in that one part of the book, and then discarded it cause he thought it was fake.

Why would the moss/history thing continue? Its basically a higher life form isn't it? The whole thing is basically a mini and organic version of the Domain, why wouldn't it get wiped out too.

If I got a message saying using the halos would destroy the Domain, then I used them and they destroyed the domain, I'd probably reconsider dismissing it so readily. This would pretty much confirm to bornstellar that the librarian died on earth (assuming domain communications have some time/date/location type metadata, I'm sure that was mentioned at some point)

And we don't know how the moss really does what it does, but I figured it might be alien enough to be unaffected. As long as it's storage medium isn't based on neurological systems it should be fine.

Well I doubt moss is sufficiently advanced to be targeted by the Halos, so I guess the question is if the memory moss would still slip in under that threshold. I doubt we're going to get an answer but it's fun to speculate.
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Post by: Capac Amaru on April 26, 2013, 04:30:57 AM
So...

I guess the big question that has been left unanswered is 'who is responsible for the Flood research projects on the rings and other installations?'.

I found it odd that it was never really mentioned.