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Title: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on September 02, 2012, 04:23:00 AM
Spoilers for future Halo products are below including Halo 4 and Halo books that have yet to be published. Proceed only if you wish to be spoiled.

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Final warning!

Creating this thread to contain the spoilers from Halo 4 that some eagle eye folks have picked up upon from the recently released video.

Spoilers for Halo 4 Story

Mo-Cap Script for Actors

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"In that case, you won't mind..." Cortana appears behind the Didact.
at all of the Cortanas emerging from the Bridge
"Compassion for mankind is misplaced." - Didact
"I'm not doing this for mankind." Chief then charges thet Didact.

rushes towards Didact and jumps all over him (legs, arms, chest, back)
Several takes of "Cortana" tackling and climbing on random objects at full speed.
Didact is attacked by Cortana. He attempts to swat at Cortana as a means of self defence.
Didact unclenches his fist and drops Chief.

Cortana begins restraining Didact by constraining his limbs to the Bridge.
-Several takes of "Cortana" climbing on "Didact" actor and then...
a specific body part (head, back, waist, knees, ebows, shoulders)
-Didact struggle idle.

Chief is released
-Chief immobilised pose
-Chief falls, lands on edge
-Chief hanging idle

Spoilers for Halo The Thursday War (book) which heavily suggest/hint towards Halo 4

About Requiem and Didact:
Quote from: The Thursday War
Don't you see it? Requiem. That's where the Didact was hidden. That's where they say he waits.

About the Didact, from one of the Engineers at Onyx:
Quote from: The Thursday War
He tried to fight the flood. He tried to destroy the humans.

Said about the symbol for the Didact:
Quote from: The Thursday War
That, he said, is the symbol for the holy warrior who will come to the aid of the faithful in their hour of need.

About Didact:
Quote from: The Thursday War
Didact sleeps and must never be woken.

Spoiler Sources

Unbelievably, all the spoiler sources here are official. Yup, no leaks. No french! Check them out for yourself!

Amazon.com Halo The Thursday War (http://"http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076532394X/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=10EDT594YCRAR48TAWM0&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846#reader_076532394X")
(Click on "Look Inside!" and feel free to read hundreds of pages. Also, use the search feature of Look Inside and you'll be able to find a bunch of extra details.)

Halo 4: A Hero Awakens - Part One Official Trailer. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybj3LmvMHgE")
Look closely at this awesome trailer. Pause the video at around the 3:55 mark and read the script for yourself. Or look below.

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Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on September 02, 2012, 04:28:44 AM
I still feel like that is a bit too obvious.... 343i want's us to believe it is the Didact and then they surprise us with something different

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Don't you see it? Requiem. That's where the Didact was hidden. That's where they say he waits.

And how do we know if this is the Ur-Didact or Bornstellar? I feel like that could make all of the difference
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on September 02, 2012, 04:54:51 AM
We know nothing about which Didact he is.

Although it's most likely Ur-Didact. Maybe even Flood infected - held back by the Composer.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on September 02, 2012, 07:42:14 AM
Boom.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: That Gunslinger on September 02, 2012, 09:20:24 AM
I might stay away from certain threads for a while. I presumed most of this and already saw the vidoc, but if 343 are going to keep putting scripts in them then I'm afraid I might see something very big (seriously, what the hell). Thanks for all the warnings, but I can't control myself anyway. Argh, I can't not rampantly speculate for another 64 days but... I think, like the Chief, I should go and sleep for a bit, at least in terms of plot information.

Wake me, when you need me.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on September 02, 2012, 09:24:27 AM
I'm with you Gun, I may be staying away from this one until launch.

This reminds me of a question I was just thinking of..... If you had the chance to read through the Halo Bible, would you?

Prior to Halo 4's announcement, I think I would have said yes!, now it is a definite no. I want to be kept in suspense and see what 343i has in store for us.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on September 02, 2012, 02:04:52 PM
We know nothing about which Didact he is.

Although it's most likely Ur-Didact. Maybe even Flood infected - held back by the Composer.

Agreed, But the logic here wont prevent me from hoping that it is the Bornsteller-Didact. Cause I always liked Ur-D way more...

But i also get the impression that he will be an ally up until a point, where he has a disagreement and you try to kill him... He just doesn't seem like the kinda guy to bother with attacking anything that doesn't attack him... Idk

Also; telekinetic powers? Where the heck did you get that?

And in terms of avoiding spoilers, I wouldn't have read this thread if i knew it had Halo 4 spoilers, I thought it just had thursday war ones :(        :)
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on September 02, 2012, 03:25:13 PM
Well the loglines for Silentium pretty much downplayed the Bornstellar-Didact entirely, which I thought was kind of odd--if the summary is an indicator of the entire book's contents then poor Bornstellar looks to get cast aside. I'd definitely assume this is the Ur-Didact though.

Hmm. Glass Harder has some interesting things going on from a writing standpoint. I really hope someone addresses Parangosky's rather hypocritical mindset. Just desserts. Better than cookies.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: That Gunslinger on September 02, 2012, 04:22:48 PM
I really hope someone addresses Parangosky's rather hypocritical mindset. Just desserts. Better than cookies.

Agreed, I mean can someone make a list of all of the morally corrupt things ONI have done over the years, most of, if not all of which has gone through her first. She plays just as much a part in the Spartan II program as Halsey does.

I'm not saying Halsey doesn't deserve to be punished for what she did, but I don't get how Parangosky can take the moral high ground. She's probably the one that green-lit the SII project to begin with. I hope she gets what she deserves before she dies.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on September 02, 2012, 04:33:29 PM
I really hope someone addresses Parangosky's rather hypocritical mindset. Just desserts. Better than cookies.

Agreed, I mean can someone make a list of all of the morally corrupt things ONI have done over the years, most of, if not all of which has gone through her first. She plays just as much a part in the Spartan II program as Halsey does.

I'm not saying Halsey doesn't deserve to be punished for what she did, but I don't get how Parangosky can take the moral high ground. She's probably the one that green-lit the SII project to begin with. I hope she gets what she deserves before she dies.

Well, I can certainly see her feeling bad about what she did, and she should. The issue to me is that penitence doesn't square in my mind with her continued amoral and Machiavellian actions regarding the Elites. If she really feels bad, I'd say she needs to retire and let the light in on her own operations. It's that sort of selective hindsight that I want to see confronted.

About 50 pages into the preview now, so far no major gaps missing. There's a bit too much "Previously on Glasslands..." and first-person thought bubbles that are too on-the-nose for my liking, but there's no doubt to me that Traviss is still a pretty good writer, albeit with a pretty straight style (like Nylund, although obviously different in actual character.)
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on September 02, 2012, 05:48:53 PM
I'm not saying Halsey doesn't deserve to be punished for what she did, but I don't get how Parangosky can take the moral high ground. She's probably the one that green-lit the SII project to begin with. I hope she gets what she deserves before she dies.

*cracks knuckles* Let me try and take a stab at this statement.

First off, Parangosky did have a part in giving the SIII program the green light, but not solely. Chapter two of Ghosts of Onyx describes Colonel Ackerson's proposal of the program to three high-level ONI officials aboard the UNSC prowler point of no return. These officials were Rear Admiral Rich, commander of covert operations in section three, Captain Gibson, field officer in charge of section three black-ops. and finally, Vice Admiral Paragonsky. They all approved of the operation, and it was Parangosky that recommended the planet Onyx, since section one had made the place "a virtual black hole".

Now lets move on to hoping that Parangosky gets what she deserves before she dies. I speculate that she may already have, albeit maybe it's not exactly what you wanted. I wanted to write an article about what I am going to formulate below, but I had a hard time trying to get it up to FuD staff quality, so I'll just lay out the main points here:

Basically, Osman, who is being set up to take Parangosky's place as Commander in Chief of ONI by none other than Ms. P herself, is Parangosky's daughter. I believe someone speculated this before in an earlier thread right after Glasslands came out, but the idea was never really fleshed out.

We come to find out that Osman was in the SII program, but "washed out" during the augmentation process. By her still being alive and seemingly fully functional as a normal human being (at least in the time that has passed since her time in the program and the events in Glassalnds) she is one of the lucky ones that "washed out".

With those two points, let move on to how Osman could be Parangosky's daughter and how Paragonsky may have already "got what she deserved" if you haven't already figured that one out yet.

There isn't any hard evidence to link Parangosky and Osman and mother and daughter, but there are two facts presented in Glasslands that may support this notion. (1) As Commander in Chief of ONI, Parangosky has access to any and all top secret files, including the SII program, which would seemingly include candidate information in which she may have found out that her daughter, Osman was one of the candidates for the program. (2) Glasslands reveals that although Osman has access to view her candidate profile that would reveal her life and family before being abducted into the SII program, she has not viewed those files, yet. Who might she discover as her mother when she finally looks into the files?

I know someone may interject that if Parangoksy approved the SII program as well, which at the time of writing I am unsure of, that she would have known her daughter was a candidate and either pulled her out or disproved of the program altogether. The only counterargument to that notion that I can come up with is business related. If she did have something to do with the approval of the SII program, she would have most likely had a role of something like a manager. Thus, she would not need granular information on the project; she would just need the big picture and bottom line cost of the project for approval and she would let the scientists and accountants deal with the more granular information such as day-to-day costs and candidate information. That would infer that she never saw the roster.

So, how would Osman being a "wash out" SII member and supposed daughter of Parangosky lead to Parangosky getting what she deserves?

If Osman really is the daughter of Parangosky, then not only did Ms. P have to suffer through watching the flash clone of her abducted daughter suffer and die, she would also come to later realize that her daughter is alive after gaining access to top secret files on the SII program. However, even though she is alive, Osman had to suffer through the mutilation, if you will, of the augmentation portion of the SII program, only to "wash out" and never make it as a Spartan. Does that not define irony? That a person that has approved and done such horrible and cruel things would have something as horrible and cruel thrown right back at her?

Speaking of the cruel and horrible things that Parangosky has probably done as a part of ONI, the other thing that always bothered me about the ending to Glasslands is when she takes the moral high ground, as you guys put it, when questioning Halsey about the use of flash clones for the abducted SII candidates, which was apparently not a part of the original plan. Why would she care and about something so cruel and horrible when doing those kinds of things is basically all she has done throughout her career? Why would something like that even phase her? Perhaps she had some kind of personal or family matter in the topic at hand *wink wink*.

If this theory holds true, it would also further explain why Parangosky has such a dislike of Halsey, other than the fact that Halsey was essentially a thief that stole billions of dollars worth of UNSC assets during war time.

So, if that is not enough for you, what more do you think she should suffer to "get what she deserves"? And I'm not implying that she doesn't deserve more; I just wanted to hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on September 02, 2012, 07:49:45 PM
Also; telekinetic powers? Where the heck did you get that?

From the script.

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"Chief lunges for the....
telekinetically flips...."
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: That Gunslinger on September 02, 2012, 08:19:29 PM
I hope all of that comes true Six, or at least a variation. Nicely written. But... can Lucy just...like...punch her in the face too? That would be great. The only thing is I don't get how she wouldn't have seen her daughter in the roster. Not that Halsey couldn't hide such things if she wanted to.

On the subject of the telekinesis, there was a leaked in-progress cutscene a few months back showing someone with such powers. All the models were just place-holders though so there's no context. I'll try and find it.

Found it  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CT2qDfykbA

I don't know if it's related but whatever.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on September 02, 2012, 08:48:24 PM
I hope all of that comes true Six, or at least a variation. Nicely written. But... can Lucy just...like...punch her in the face too? That would be great. The only thing is I don't get how she wouldn't have seen her daughter in the roster. Not that Halsey couldn't hide such things if she wanted to.

On the subject of the telekinesis, there was a leaked in-progress cutscene a few months back showing someone with such powers. All the models were just place-holders though so there's no context. I'll try and find it.

Found it  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CT2qDfykbA

I don't know if it's related but whatever.

You make such a compelling argument. But yes, Parangosky deserves to get decked by Lucy. It's a shame that she is just now learning to speak again, otherwise it would have been great if after Lucy punches her, she yells out "BITCH!". Plus, if the impact of Lucy's punch to Parangosky's dome didn't kill her, I'm sure the impact of her hitting the ground would. That would be an excellent way to kill her off  ;D

And I'm not sure pulling someone through a solid wall and telekinesis are the same thing, but I could be wrong. I forgot about that video though.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on September 02, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that vid is fan made.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on September 02, 2012, 09:23:45 PM
I'm pretty sure that vid is fan made.

It's the video 343 showed at PAX, featuring 343 staff, other professionals and actors talking about making the game and showing you things from behind the scenes.

It is not fan made.

You can find the video on GameSpot right now and it will be up on Waypoint next week. The Waypoint twitter linked to the video too.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong. :)
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on September 02, 2012, 09:30:45 PM
I think he was referring to the video gunslinger linked, not the A Hero Awakens VIDOC
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on September 02, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
^^^^What he said.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on September 02, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
I got your back Wazooty.  :D
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on September 03, 2012, 12:29:45 AM
Ah. Well no still. That isn't a fan made video either. It's portfolio work for a professional animator.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on September 03, 2012, 01:29:13 AM
Ah. Well no still. That isn't a fan made video either. It's portfolio work for a professional animator.

I get the vibe that it's him doing his own work rather than actual stuff from Halo though.

EDIT:

Finished reading the Amazon transcript. Not really sure why they let people read 1/4th of the book, plus the last couple of pages, but oh well. Lots of table-setting, less movement than I expected, although if the ending pages are an indication, there's some fair status quo shifts. Glad they aren't just tossing the Onyx shield world aside, although I still don't get why they made it so huge in the first place.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on September 03, 2012, 03:59:06 AM
Edit; Nvm
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on September 03, 2012, 04:01:44 AM
Naomi and osman are two different people. I was taking about Osman
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on September 03, 2012, 04:13:17 AM
Yeah, i realized that a minute after i posted it; guess i didnt edit in time :P

Ok, so i read the first twenty or so pages; then i realized i want to read the whole thing in it's entirety when it comes out, so...
But;
      Could Halsey possibly be on the infinity? Cause her job was to incorporate the tech into the infinity...
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on September 03, 2012, 04:42:47 AM
Yeah, i realized that a minute after i posted it; guess i didnt edit in time :P

You shouldn't be ashamed to admit you made a mistake; we're human - It's what separates us from the Covenant and Forerunners  ;) This should be a place where we don't criticize others for making a mistake when their intentions were in the right place. I know I don't do that, or at least try to, but that isn't to say that others havent done so  ;D All joking aside, I have nothing but respect for you Tar.

Speaking of which, you once again deleted your entire original post, so I can't re-read what you originally posted, but I know you said at least one of Naomi's parents committed suicide; I don't know if you said both, but if you did, Naomi's father is still alive as noted at the end of Glasslands.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on September 03, 2012, 04:43:53 AM
In the amazon preview, if you enter any words in the search bar, it will show you all the places that word shows up in, and the sentence it shows up in, even if it isn't in the pages we can see.

Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on September 03, 2012, 01:53:43 PM
Yeah, i realized that a minute after i posted it; guess i didnt edit in time :P

Ok, so i read the first twenty or so pages; then i realized i want to read the whole thing in it's entirety when it comes out, so...
But;
      Could Halsey possibly be on the infinity? Cause her job was to incorporate the tech into the infinity...

They certainly seem to be using her experience to help integrate tech, but Parangosky wants her back in a cell pretty soon--maybe she does take the opportunity to spring from detention?

Also interesting is how Parangosky seems rather afraid of Halsey's existence leaking out. What does she think would happen? I doubt lynch mobs would come for Halsey, maybe she thinks having her dead gives ONI a scape-goat for all those war crimes.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on September 03, 2012, 02:31:22 PM
Aww, thanks six, I have nothin but respect for you too :D  And yeah, i knew the father wasnt dead yet

Yeah, i realized that a minute after i posted it; guess i didnt edit in time :P

Ok, so i read the first twenty or so pages; then i realized i want to read the whole thing in it's entirety when it comes out, so...
But;
      Could Halsey possibly be on the infinity? Cause her job was to incorporate the tech into the infinity...

They certainly seem to be using her experience to help integrate tech, but Parangosky wants her back in a cell pretty soon--maybe she does take the opportunity to spring from detention?

Also interesting is how Parangosky seems rather afraid of Halsey's existence leaking out. What does she think would happen? I doubt lynch mobs would come for Halsey, maybe she thinks having her dead gives ONI a scape-goat for all those war crimes.
But at the same time though, the infinity is a HUGE ship... Someone could easily be hidden aboard somewhere. And it would make sense for halsey to stay on the ship, cause what if some forerunner tech starts to malfunction? who is the only person who knows how it works to fix it?
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on September 03, 2012, 02:35:53 PM
Aww, thanks six, I have nothin but respect for you too :D  And yeah, i knew the father wasnt dead yet

Yeah, i realized that a minute after i posted it; guess i didnt edit in time :P

Ok, so i read the first twenty or so pages; then i realized i want to read the whole thing in it's entirety when it comes out, so...
But;
      Could Halsey possibly be on the infinity? Cause her job was to incorporate the tech into the infinity...

They certainly seem to be using her experience to help integrate tech, but Parangosky wants her back in a cell pretty soon--maybe she does take the opportunity to spring from detention?

Also interesting is how Parangosky seems rather afraid of Halsey's existence leaking out. What does she think would happen? I doubt lynch mobs would come for Halsey, maybe she thinks having her dead gives ONI a scape-goat for all those war crimes.
But at the same time though, the infinity is a HUGE ship... Someone could easily be hidden aboard somewhere. And it would make sense for halsey to stay on the ship, cause what if some forerunner tech starts to malfunction? who is the only person who knows how it works to fix it?

ONI seems plenty happy to leave the Engineers to it. Keep them fed and they not only fix things, they make it better, and they produce more of themselves. They're the perfect workers. It makes sense that they were keeping the Covenant together.

Although that does beg the question... given that we know Covenant tech was often inferior based on flaws in their own design, why didn't the Engineers fix those issues (such as Cortana's recognition that their targeting and slipspace tech could be easily improved). Did the Prophets lock them out of certain areas so that their true role wasn't revealed? (The only "innovation" the Engineers could do was under the watchful eye of the Prophets?)
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on September 03, 2012, 04:55:11 PM
Aww, thanks six, I have nothin but respect for you too :D  And yeah, i knew the father wasnt dead yet

Yeah, i realized that a minute after i posted it; guess i didnt edit in time :P

Ok, so i read the first twenty or so pages; then i realized i want to read the whole thing in it's entirety when it comes out, so...
But;
      Could Halsey possibly be on the infinity? Cause her job was to incorporate the tech into the infinity...

They certainly seem to be using her experience to help integrate tech, but Parangosky wants her back in a cell pretty soon--maybe she does take the opportunity to spring from detention?

Also interesting is how Parangosky seems rather afraid of Halsey's existence leaking out. What does she think would happen? I doubt lynch mobs would come for Halsey, maybe she thinks having her dead gives ONI a scape-goat for all those war crimes.
But at the same time though, the infinity is a HUGE ship... Someone could easily be hidden aboard somewhere. And it would make sense for halsey to stay on the ship, cause what if some forerunner tech starts to malfunction? who is the only person who knows how it works to fix it?

ONI seems plenty happy to leave the Engineers to it. Keep them fed and they not only fix things, they make it better, and they produce more of themselves. They're the perfect workers. It makes sense that they were keeping the Covenant together.

Although that does beg the question... given that we know Covenant tech was often inferior based on flaws in their own design, why didn't the Engineers fix those issues (such as Cortana's recognition that their targeting and slipspace tech could be easily improved). Did the Prophets lock them out of certain areas so that their true role wasn't revealed? (The only "innovation" the Engineers could do was under the watchful eye of the Prophets?)

Oh, actually this would make a great story. We find out that the Engineers were actually sabotaging/holding back the Covenant the entire time without them knowing it.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on September 03, 2012, 05:16:04 PM
meh... Maybe, but it kinda sounds like a theory someone would post on waypoint; "WHAT IF TEH ENGENNERS IS A GOOD GUYZ ALL AL0NG??!!?!?!?!"

Although, Post, you can make anything sound good when you write an article about it; even time-travel, so i won't totally discredit the theory right away, especially given the fact that humans would be the engineers' rightful masters as reclaimers.
Although i don' think it would be a purposeful "sabotage" of the covenant; I would imagine it to be more like something in their genetic coding that tells them to do their best when working on stuff made by the reclaimers, but then they are just hardwired to repair everything else just for fun

Although it could simply be that when they first discovered the engineers, the elites and prophets would flip out if the engineers tried to change any forerunner stuff to improve on it, and end up beating or killing whatever engineer tried. Then eventually the engineers got the message and stopped trying to innovate on covenant tech
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on September 03, 2012, 06:38:58 PM
I'm imagine that whatever improvements the engineers made, even if they were half-assed, were still well beyond the elites/prophets comprehension. 
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on September 04, 2012, 05:51:43 PM
Plus the Elites and Prophets, in turn, would probably think it sacrilege to bring any harm to a creature they knew to be created by their gods.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on September 05, 2012, 08:03:46 PM
No... Not necessarily, Humans for example. They had no problem ripping into us and covering it up.

The Engineer's disassembling and reconfiguring forerunner tech might lower the general populace's view of forerunner relics and stuff; which would undermine the entire foundation of their authority
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on September 05, 2012, 08:38:37 PM
No... Not necessarily, Humans for example. They had no problem ripping into us and covering it up.

The Engineer's disassembling and reconfiguring forerunner tech might lower the general populace's view of forerunner relics and stuff; which would undermine the entire foundation of their authority

IIRC the Elites did have some reverence for the Engineers, as did the pious Brutes, but I think it was also because they were simply very valuable. Why would you harm a free and happy worker?
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on September 05, 2012, 09:10:24 PM
The Prophets covered up the human thing because the revelation that their gods were still alive would reveal that the entire Covenant was a lie and would have forced their entire race into extinction. I imagine the discovery of the Engineers went over much differently.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on September 05, 2012, 10:01:29 PM
Yeah, I was refering to their reaction to the engineers dissasembling things more so than the discovery of the engineers themselves. But you guys bring up good points
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 02, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Shall we start a new thread for discussing Glass Harder, or will this one do? I'm only on chapter three, but I've already highlighted a few interesting notes.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on October 02, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
Might as well here :)
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 03, 2012, 03:52:46 AM
Thank you

Btw, SLIGHTLT'S NEXT POST HAS HEAVY SPOILERS
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on October 03, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
Didact is revealed in the third level of Halo 4. Here is a description.

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Reaching the final stage of the level also introduced the game’s protagonist: a huge, grotesque Forerunner beast with sharp claws and a receding hairline of sorts, who is also the commander of the Prometheans and known only as the Didact. His introduction is fairly startling, as he has the verbose and hyperbolic crazy-man chatter that is synonymous with all good super villains and he’s a huge monstrous figure…

Source (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-13009-Halo-4-Campaign-Hands-On-Preview---The-Hardest-Halo-Yet--Me-Thinks-So-.html)
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 03, 2012, 05:41:38 PM
Litterally just came to post this. You should probably post a huge SPOILERS SPOILERS tag up on that post, slightly just to be sure

DAANG! So the Didact is alive and embodied, and we will actually get to see a LEGIT forerunner int he flesh... SO excited.

And it seems like youre going to talk with the Didact for a while as you slowly rise up to the surface of the planet, at which point, you will see the infinity crash.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on October 03, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Have you seen the first post in this thread? I gave all the spoilers warning in the OP. Every reply afterwards is fair game.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 03, 2012, 05:58:32 PM
common courtesy is still to be observed
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 03, 2012, 05:58:42 PM
Have you seen the first post in this thread? I gave all the spoilers warning in the OP. Every reply afterwards is fair game.

It's also clearly stated in the title of the thread.

And did the description of the didact mean to say the antagonist?
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on October 03, 2012, 06:32:51 PM
And did the description of the didact mean to say the antagonist?

I think they meant antagonist.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 03, 2012, 06:52:50 PM
Just because he is the antagonist for this game does not mean that he will continue in his evil ways...
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on October 03, 2012, 07:40:02 PM
It's weird to me that they say he's the fast-talking evil stereotype. This leads me to believe it's the Bornstellar Didact, fighting with multiple memories resurging or something like that.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on October 03, 2012, 08:16:23 PM
It's weird to me that they say he's the fast-talking evil stereotype. This leads me to believe it's the Bornstellar Didact, fighting with multiple memories resurging or something like that.

Either that or he has reasons.

We really have no idea about his motivations.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on October 03, 2012, 08:49:09 PM
What about the claws?

That just seems to me like such a stereotypical evil monster feature.

I dunno, we're getting it from an awful source. Would be better to just see him ourselves.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 03, 2012, 09:50:42 PM
If the description is accurate, it does raise some interesting questions...

As Post said, the fast-talking may be indicative of multiple personalities re-surging at once, which would seem to point towards it being Bornstellar.

But if it is the Ur-Didact, why is he talking like that? I don't think his mannerisms were described in great detail in either Forerunner novel, but that shouldn't be a quality of a military leader. Has he gone mad?

On a somewhat related note, the claws are throwing me off too. Forerunners haven't been described as having claws, have they? Do only Prometheans have claws? Is he half-infected by the flood, the infection subdued by the composer, but his "hands" already started to turn? Perhaps that is why he is talking like that because he is half-infected? The description of Silentium does say the Ur-Didact was stranded on a Flood infected planet right?

Anyway, I am really excited about this initial conversation between Chief and the Didact. You'll excuse me if I don't think it will be on the same scale as the conversation with the Reaper Sovereign and Commander Sheppard in ME1, but I hope it is something along those lines in that it just fills us with awe and dread.

Motivations are one thing, but how exactly is he going to threaten the entire galaxy? Does he plan on using the remaining Halo's again?

Lastly, I am on Chapter 8 of Glass Harder, I hope to have it finished by tomorrow, or at least before the first episode of FUD on Friday  :D. Lots of good stuff in this book so far, and it is much more of an engaging read than Glasslands, although it makes sense, seeing as how the first one was just setting everything up. Thoughts and notes should be up by this weekend.

Edit: If the Didact is half-infected by the Flood, that might be part of his motivation.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 05, 2012, 12:54:52 AM
Just finished Glass Harder. It was a really enjoyable read, and it sets up Halo 4 extremely well. Thoughts to come soon.

Anyone else close to finishing it?
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on October 05, 2012, 12:56:21 AM
I would be, except I'm spending all my time editing some super-seekrit stuff we can't talk about now for the glory and honor of High Taskmaster Slightly Live.

Also, I got some sweet speakers.

Still really wish the cover was a bit more realized... it reads a little better in book form than it did on the screen, but the Spartan and ships still seem out of proportion and skewed.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 05, 2012, 01:00:35 AM
Still really wish the cover was a bit more realized... it reads a little better in book form than it did on the screen, but the Spartan and ships still seem out of proportion and skewed.

I know what you mean, but there is a certain part of the book that kind of explains the cover, I guess you just haven't gotten there yet.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 05, 2012, 02:51:18 PM
Alright, so here are some of my initial thoughts on Glass Harder, as well as some major plot points.

But before I begin, let me put this here for those of you blindly click on any new thread response without looking at the thread title  ;)

Spoilers for Halo: The Thursday War. Proceed only if you wish to be spoiled.

Also, I only have Glass Harder on Kindle, so I can put down any actual page numbers.

Alright, first off it was the Brutes who detonated that bomb at the end of Glasslands. I don't think I predicted it was them, but I think someone did (looks at Dave to see if we wrote down who predicted that). I thought it was interesting though that not much time was spent on this although it was completely essential to the plot, and that Phillisss (As I like to call him in the Sanghelli language) never actually saw a Brute, and this was before the actual uprising began.

The imprisoned Jul from Glasslands escapes in Glass Harder via a small portal in a maintenance shaft on the Trevylan Shield world. He seems to be the one that will be leading the Storm Covenant in Halo 4 to find the Didact, as based on the ending of the book. I smell a confrontation with him at some point in game.

While Jul was in these maintenance shafts, he was accompanied by a Huragok in which he asked many questions about the Forerunners, but seldom got a clear answer, or even one at all. However, these were some of the answers I took note of:

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<They were concerned about Dangers. There was more to fear than the Flood. They had to leave warnings so that mistakes weren't repeated.>

<I warned you not to touch the panel. The Portals don't work as designed. There are none of us at the terminals to maintain them>

<I said they no longer worked properly. I said that none could come here>

<Some intended destinations we know. Some we were never allowed to know, only that they were there for those who has supplementary information.>

<The Didact, hidden from us. Hidden when the Librarian made her sacrifice.>

<They may yet wait somewhere or sometime else.>

<They were not like you. They slept in thought.>

That last quote has been bothering me because I am having a hard time interpreting it. I wonder what else there is to fear besides the Flood and if whatever that is will be what the Didact plans to release upon the galaxy to threaten it. Also, since most of the portal's didn't work and "none" could come to the Shield world, or presumably an of the others, maybe there are other Forerunners out there. Then there was the line about those with supplemental information. Could Cortana be considered one with supplemental information, since she has all of that data from Installation 04? If you remember seeing the end of that mission game-play in which Cortana tells chief to go through the portal to access Coms or something else, it actually takes him to the Didact instead. I also wonder if this had something to do with Chiefs alternate destination through the portal at the end of Halo 3.

There was absolutely no mention of Blue Team :(

As mentioned in another thread, the Pelicans look comparably different to the ones we have seen in previous games. In Glass harder, we now know the UNSC is in possession of quite a few Huragok and have even started breeding them. Two engineers and given to UNSC Port Stanley and one of the first things they worked on, or pimped as Mal states, was Tart-Cart, Port Stanley's modified Pelican Dropship.  Most of the Description of the described changes made to Tart-Cart are the interior and technological changes, although this was said about the exterior:

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The Dropship-still matte gray, but now with a subtly different shape, and with more small pods protruding from her skin.

Perhaps the new pelican design is based from the changes the Huragok made to this Pelican? Tart-Cart was modified before the Huragok got their tentacles on it, so maybe the UNSC gave them a stock pelican and told them to upgrade and make those same changes to all pelicans aboard Infinity.

I do have one small gripe with the writing though, and it was probably just overlooked by the editing staff, but it still bothered me enough to highlight it. When Phillisss is describing how he opened the portal to esacpe the Forerunner ruin, he desribes activating the portal as "It had a lock thingie like an arum" As much pride as Phillisss has being a scholar and expert on the Elites, I would never expect him to say thingie when describing something like a mechanism, device, etc.

And as for  the cover of the book (Dave, shield your eyes if you haven't made it this far in the book!), showing a spartan standing on a glass observation deck with the Infinity and some frigates or cruisers in the background; I am assuming that is Naomi on board Port Stanley in the newly modified observation deck. When the Hurgaok arrive on Port Stanley, one of the things they do is make what was on a solid, opaque metal floor into a translucent metal floor, which actual freaks on the ODST's out the first time he walks into the room after it has been modified.

Lastly, I just wanted to share two of my favorite BB quotes:

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But gift horses like Huragok were to be petted and fed, not subjected to intrusive dental examination

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Yes, Parangosky was a people person, despite her reputation. Usually, she was a people person in the same way that a cattle farmer was an animal person....

There is obviously a lot more than be discussed, but these were just some of my initial observations. I plan to read through it again shortly.

Edit: After watching the first episode of FUD I realizes it is worth noting that Parangosky thinks that the Captain of Infinity, Del Rio, is an "imbecile" which was not her choice and that she personally choose Lasky as the XO. She couldn't choose the captain as the Infinity was a joint military project, and she couldn't control every aspect of the ship.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on October 06, 2012, 12:15:56 AM
Yeah I think it's clear that, whether or not Traviss thinks BB is the most interesting character, it's the character who comes off the most interesting (I think this was true in the last book as well, as his 'pure thought is awesome' mentality and POV from inside Naomi's head were great.)

Still only half way through, but it's certainly engaging enough to read.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 06, 2012, 12:41:41 AM
Yeah, I agree. Although getting inside the head of the Commander in Chief of ONI is pretty interesing in its own way. Humanity needs someone like her to make those hard decisions and do the necessary evils that she does. I am also hoping we get to see her appointing Lasky as XO of Infinity in FUD, because I would really like to see how she is portrayed in live action.

Speaking of someone to make those hard choices and necessary evils, I hope Osman will be ready. You can she that she is already questioning whether she will be able to fill those shoes in this book. Parangosky seems to know how to choose the right people for the job, other than Magnusson as Director of Trevylan, so I hope that is her one and only mistake in that department.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 10, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
 just finished reading the book, LOVED IIIIIT!.

 You know, in a way, Osman not really wanting to do those things might have been better, I mean, if they had just supported the arbiter instead of doing all of this stuff, than Jul wouldn't have started the Storm covenant and discovered requiem and unleashed the didact... So REALLY, lets give  Osman's morality a little more credit.
 
I reached the same conclusion about the pelicans six. I think that is the canon reason. Also the Hurgagok on the Infinity would probably also be the reason why the ship gets repaired and back into the air in only a relatively short time after crashing on Requiem.

While it was an awesome book, I don't think there is really much to be discussed, everything is pretty straitforward and linear, not much to speculate about :(
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on October 10, 2012, 06:31:38 PM
While it was an awesome book, I don't think there is really much to be discussed, everything is pretty straitforward and linear, not much to speculate about :(

I dunno. Who do you guys think this "teacher" character is the Forerunners keep mentioning? That one's got me stumped.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 10, 2012, 06:34:03 PM
I thought the teacher title was phillisss' attempt at translating the didact's symbol.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on October 10, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
I thought the teacher title was phillisss' attempt at translating the didact's symbol.

Really? I didn't pick up on that at all. I've seen others mention Didact hating humans too? And being on some place called Requiem? What's all that about???
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 10, 2012, 07:00:09 PM
Not sure what the point of your sarcasm is.... Again, that's just what I thought, especially when phillisss meets Jul and asks him about the symbol on his belt, which Jul responds is the symbol for the Didact, and Phillisss seems surprised at this. I thought he was surprised because he thought it meant teacher.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on October 10, 2012, 07:17:29 PM
I'm definitely interested in how these Elite fundamentalists actually found out about the Didact in the first place.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on October 10, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
Not sure what the point of your sarcasm is.... Again, that's just what I thought, especially when phillisss meets Jul and asks him about the symbol on his belt, which Jul responds is the symbol for the Didact, and Phillisss seems surprised at this. I thought he was surprised because he thought it meant teacher.

I'm just being jovial. TTW isn't very subtle about anything. It makes speculation difficult when a lot of things are spelt out for you.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on October 10, 2012, 07:47:01 PM
Not sure what the point of your sarcasm is.... Again, that's just what I thought, especially when phillisss meets Jul and asks him about the symbol on his belt, which Jul responds is the symbol for the Didact, and Phillisss seems surprised at this. I thought he was surprised because he thought it meant teacher.

You guys make it too easy. :P
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 10, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
I'm just too stupid to understand the intent of your higher intellects.

I dunno. Who do you guys think this "teacher" character is the Forerunners keep mentioning? That one's got me stumped.

so that wasn't a genuine question I take it. I guess I belong with the rest of the dummies over on the waypoint threads  :(
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on October 10, 2012, 07:59:54 PM
I'm just too stupid to understand the intent of your higher intellects.

I dunno. Who do you guys think this "teacher" character is the Forerunners keep mentioning? That one's got me stumped.

so that wasn't a genuine question I take it. I guess I belong with the rest of the dummies over on the waypoint threads  :(

So Jul was the Precursor all along right? That's why the Covenant are evil again?
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 10, 2012, 09:54:12 PM
So Jul was the Precursor all along right? That's why the Covenant are evil again?
No, its cause Cortana went rampant, and she made the covenant be bad again. Jul has the geas of the Master Builder too, so him and cortana are gonna team up and kill master chief in H4. I would know, I've like, read all the books and stuff, and I pretty much know everything


*Also, you guys are hilarious, I can't believe you got confused by them Six :P
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 10, 2012, 09:59:21 PM
I thought is was a genuine question.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on October 13, 2012, 08:47:19 AM
Since there are indeed heavy spoilers out there, should there be a dedicated, well labelled halo 4 spoiler/discussion thread?  Or are we not condoning such a tempting thread?
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on October 13, 2012, 01:09:22 PM
Since there are indeed heavy spoilers out there, should there be a dedicated, well labelled halo 4 spoiler/discussion thread?  Or are we not condoning such a tempting thread?

Well this one does say Spoilers for Halo 4 / Thursday War, so it can probably go here. Readers beware!
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on October 13, 2012, 02:30:25 PM
Well then.  Everyone has been warned....this post contains spoilers





I've seen a couple important things.  They are a bit confusing without context, and I won't be going out of my way to spoil that context for myself...but anyways. Last chance to stop reading

Didact is mad that forerunners were forced to the side while humanity reaps the benefits of their loss.  It begs the question of which forerunner decided to give humanity all their stuff in the first place then.

Prometheans are humans.  Why even call them prometheans at that point?! They hold zero relation to REAL prometheans other than that they serve the didact as soldiers.

The spartan program, mjolnir and cortana represent the culmination of the librarians work.  She seeks to prepare humanity "for what" chief asks.  Seems to hint that didact is an unforeseen enemy, not the one the librarian had in mind.

Requiem is didacts prison.  If he's so much trouble why didn't they just dispose of him? 

Didact seems to be addressing other forerunners at the end, trying to justify his actions against humanity. Talks as if they are hopeless to stop the reclamation.  Is he referring to humanity, or something else he set in motion?  Perhaps reclamation is humanity taking the precursors test.  He sought to deny the test from even happening by eliminating humanity.  But since he was unsuccessful, then in halo 5 and beyond, the test will finally happen.

By turning humans into prometheans, he simultaneously secures forerunner rights to the mantle by removing the no. 1 contender, and builds up a flood immune army in order to take the precursors inevitable test.


^some speculation, obviously
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Sixftunder on October 13, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
Apparently, there is a leaked cutscene showing the Didact floating around the internet. As much as I want to see it, I really don't want to ruin the moment when I'm playing the game. I won't link it, but you can find it on YouTube easily.

The developers are not happy either...

https://twitter.com/DavidEllis/status/257127648348758016 (https://twitter.com/DavidEllis/status/257127648348758016)
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on October 13, 2012, 05:58:02 PM
Apparently, there is a leaked cutscene showing the Didact floating around the internet. As much as I want to see it, I really don't want to ruin the moment when I'm playing the game. I won't link it, but you can find it on YouTube easily.

The developers are not happy either...

https://twitter.com/DavidEllis/status/257127648348758016 (https://twitter.com/DavidEllis/status/257127648348758016)

I'm always surprised that developers get upset when this sort of stuff happens. Yes I understand the frustration, working hard on something only to have it ruined by being revealed in an improper way... but honestly, shouldn't they expect it by now?
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on October 13, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
Double-posting because I don't care.

The opening prologue for Halo 4. I decided to watch it, since it'll be the first thing I see playing the game anyway. Holy shit. It looks real. Everything about it is so amazing.

The only thing that's throwing me off is seeing multiple Spartans roaming around in Mk. VI(B). Retcon or just stylization? It's hard to accept stylization when the rest of the prologue is so damn accurate and real looking. Also, why are they fighting Storm Elites? Perhaps this is not actually in the past? I just don't know how to feel about it all canonically.

Either way, this is going to be the best Halo game. I have no doubts.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on October 13, 2012, 06:30:29 PM
There's been so much inconsistency with armor, I'm inclined to think they simply didn't care to mock up a realistic mk v and iv.  Disappointed for sure.

I never thought that a halo game would dethrone blizzards cinematic quality but heck, it did (visual armor styles aside)

It's funny to think that John is actually about the same age if not younger than lasky, as lasky has such a youthful exuberance about him.


Also,  the new mk vi looks really clunky when in an idle hands to the side stance
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Menachite on October 13, 2012, 10:51:36 PM
Double-posting because I don't care.

The opening prologue for Halo 4. I decided to watch it, since it'll be the first thing I see playing the game anyway. Holy shit. It looks real. Everything about it is so amazing.

The only thing that's throwing me off is seeing multiple Spartans roaming around in Mk. VI(B). Retcon or just stylization? It's hard to accept stylization when the rest of the prologue is so damn accurate and real looking. Also, why are they fighting Storm Elites? Perhaps this is not actually in the past? I just don't know how to feel about it all canonically.

Either way, this is going to be the best Halo game. I have no doubts.

I think they just didn't bother modelling the earlier types of armour. I'd have preferred that they'd done it properly but it still looks amazing and the CG fooled me at first. I think the Elites are a similar situation. I imagine they wouldn't want to make a completely new model just for a short cutscene.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Postmortem on October 13, 2012, 10:53:09 PM
Double-posting because I don't care.

The opening prologue for Halo 4. I decided to watch it, since it'll be the first thing I see playing the game anyway. Holy shit. It looks real. Everything about it is so amazing.

The only thing that's throwing me off is seeing multiple Spartans roaming around in Mk. VI(B). Retcon or just stylization? It's hard to accept stylization when the rest of the prologue is so damn accurate and real looking. Also, why are they fighting Storm Elites? Perhaps this is not actually in the past? I just don't know how to feel about it all canonically.

Either way, this is going to be the best Halo game. I have no doubts.

I think they just didn't bother modelling the earlier types of armour. I'd have preferred that they'd done it properly but it still looks amazing and the CG fooled me at first. I think the Elites are a similar situation. I imagine they wouldn't want to make a completely new model just for a short cutscene.

Even though those would have to be separate models anyway. Much, much (much) higher poly count.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Slightly Live on October 13, 2012, 11:04:51 PM
Even though those would have to be separate models anyway. Much, much (much) higher poly count.

Nope, they can be the same model. Typically models for games are built in very, very high poly models initially and then budgeted downwards. So no.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on October 13, 2012, 11:20:41 PM
The more I watch the legendary ending (which isn't really even much of a spoiler as far as the game is concerned, kinda, but does show uh...other things), the more I think:








Didacts motives are twofold.  One is to stop the precursors from returning to the galaxy to test humanity (didn't go so well last time), as if there is no humanity to test, then the galaxy is safe, this is why he refers to humanity as "the greatest threat to the galaxy".   That and the second of Didacts reasons: forerunners get an opportunity to inherit the mantle again.  Enslaving the entirety of humanity in the form of prometheans is of course how he plans to beat them a second time.  A army of flood immune slaves.  Whereas the librarians plan was, in a nutshell, the spartan program - to "evolve" humanity, encase them in armor in order to fight the flood/precursors, didacts was to just enslave and prometheanize. 

I do not see how there could possibly be two more games around the didact.  That would be way way too repetitive.  I would absolutely bet on Halo 5 being about the precursors and their test.  I feel Didat could potentially be a thorn in their side for future games though.  A la illusive man.

When he refers to "reclamation" it of course means reclaiming the mantle.  And in order to do that, they need to pass the precursors test.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Tar Alacrin on October 14, 2012, 12:26:17 AM
Ok, so I'm not gonna talk about any of the stuff that is spoiler-y, just wanted to pop in and say that Prometheans are composed forerunners, as per frankies comments somewhere, not Humans.
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on October 14, 2012, 01:04:34 AM
Well, there's only one source I'd trust more than Frankie...
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: DangerousDave on October 14, 2012, 01:06:37 AM
Double-posting because I don't care.

The opening prologue for Halo 4. I decided to watch it, since it'll be the first thing I see playing the game anyway. Holy shit. It looks real. Everything about it is so amazing.

The only thing that's throwing me off is seeing multiple Spartans roaming around in Mk. VI(B). Retcon or just stylization? It's hard to accept stylization when the rest of the prologue is so damn accurate and real looking. Also, why are they fighting Storm Elites? Perhaps this is not actually in the past? I just don't know how to feel about it all canonically.

Either way, this is going to be the best Halo game. I have no doubts.

Are they supposed to be Spartan IVs or IIs?
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Menachite on October 14, 2012, 03:03:27 AM
Spartan IIs
Title: Re: Spoilers for Halo 4 / The Thursday War
Post by: Wazooty on October 17, 2012, 03:24:19 PM
So, while most of the specific details of the campaign are somewhat unkown to me, I think I have a solid understanding of the ultimate result of those details.



As someone mentioned in the gaf thread, halo 4 seems extremely self contained.  The prometheans aren't really a threat with the composer gone.  Sure there's prob some left (spops), but no more will be made.  There doesn't really seem to be any ongoing threat.  The didact is likely still alive, and if he is, fighting him for 2 more games isn't much of a story - we've done plenty of that in H4 already.  I can only think of two hints to the future.  One being when the librarian is talking to John.  She tells him that the spartan program, cortana, mjolnir, is all part of her plan to prepare humanity.   John asks her what for exactly, as it's quite obvious the Didact isn't it.  They're interrupted.  I don't know if this is expanded upon later in the game. 

Secondly is the epilogue, didacts speech.  His final words, "The reclamation has already begun, and we are hopeless to stop it."  I don't think Didacts hopelessness simply comes from humanity gradually becoming the protectors of the galaxy but more what "Reclaiming the mantle" entails.  In order to bear the mantle, one must pass the precursors test.  Didact does hate humans to some degree, but his animosity in Halo 4 is fueled by the thought that humans will not be able to pass the precursors test.  Entrusting humanity to protect the galaxy and pass the test is setting up to fail, as he does not believe they can do it.

"Reclamation" is the same thing as "passing the test for rights to the mantle". The story of Halo 4 is the story of how two different forerunner attempt to prepare for this test.  It is implied heavily that the test involves the flood, or at least the two forerunners methods seem to be preparing for such a thing.  The Didact of course is building up an army of "humans" that are immune to the flood.  The librarian by outfitting humanity in combat skins which as we know increases effectiveness against the flood by roughly 10 billion times.  Not to mention guiding humanity in general (I imagine the assembly was put in place by her to help out).

The Didact may be a thorn in humanities side...trying to do things his own way, but I don't think there's any way he will be "the" enemy for the rest of the saga. The precursors plans are already in motion, it would seem.   



If I had a gaf account, I'd post it there...